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Yes, so yeah, just tell him, like, since he j just came, just uh about that apparatus you've created.
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Oh.
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I mean, I so there what I was telling these guys before is that this has I have a full utility patent on this battle bar.
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There's a couple of them that literally in the process right now that I don't want to go too crazy into detail.
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Yeah, you know, because it's still there's still some propriety stuff.
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Yeah.
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But you know, uh it just that when it comes to so I had already spent years designing training techniques, I just couldn't settle for the norm.
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And I knew it was gonna be that way.
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I mean, my degrees in sports medicine, yeah, you know, started going.
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That's what I was gonna ask you.
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Like, how'd how'd you get into all I started going the traditional route?
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Yeah, and I was an artist before that.
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I mean, I was always creativity, was my monster.
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What kind of art?
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Everything.
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Everything.
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I mean, from drawing, I had clothing businesses in high school.
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Uh I used to tear people's clothes and bleach them and paint.
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Like what would you like the most out of like you know what?
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What people ask that now, even with the metal fabrication.
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Yeah, anything I get to get to go off and create.
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Okay.
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Like I can't help it.
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It's just that's how I got into all the trades.
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That's why I was saying, you know, once I learned that final trade of metal fabrication, yeah, it was on.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I was I was designing a new training mechanism almost monthly.
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How do you learn metal fabrication?
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You just do it.
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Okay.
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No, I had a I so I had a bike builder, I had a custom chopper built by amazing guy, Mark Dunn, amazing bike builder.
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And I thought he was gonna give me all these amazing lessons and you know, welding, and okay.
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Went and picked up a used welder.
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Yeah, went there, he said, here's the voltage, here's wire speed, heat, go fuck with it.
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Go learn it.
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He and bend it.
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Go, go learn it.
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Yeah, and that's what I did.
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You have to learn metallurgy, you have to, you know, MIG welding is not that difficult, but you do.
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You have to learn different metals, you have to learn the machine, you have to, but it's the other parts of fabrication that are are difficult.
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Kids come out of welding school, they learn how to, well, oh, I'm a master welder.
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I don't give a shit.
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Yeah, it's learning how to use all these other tools, learning how metal forming metal, learning how to correct mistakes, and you're constantly running into issues.
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I mean, it's dangerous shit too.
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But it's all the other things that you need to learn.
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I mean, here, machining, bending the tubes, you know, just there's a there's a lot more.
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Even in like plastic surgery, like it kind of, you know, like yeah, in training, you could learn how to do the surgery.
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Like for me, I had my resident clinic, so I had more long-term follow-up.
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But when you when you only like, you know, you see the patient for the surgery or a month out, if they have issues or their scars don't heal appropriately, and what to do afterwards, like you're kind of lost, you know, it's until you explain it.
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It's the same as business.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The nice part in our business though is if you mess up, you you kind of hurt yourself.
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If we mess up, we hurt somebody else.
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But correct me if I'm wrong.
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You go through med school, yeah, residency, you do all this.
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That's great.
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You come out a rock star, yeah.
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Somebody takes sure you go into your own business.
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It's not until you get those experiences, yeah, and learning by mistake, and all those experiences that make you really, really good.
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You have to deal with those.
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Yeah, you know, before that, you're just okay, I have an education.
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Yeah, it's not until you learn how to circumvent all those issues that you really become a really good surgeon.
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Definitely, especially with like dealing with complications, difficult patients, like the that's that's the toughest things.
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Like, that's when you like lose sleep, you're like, uh is she gonna be happy, whatever.
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Like the night after a anything, it like even like shaping, like shaping a breast or shaping a nose, you're like, you know, on table it looks great, but you like you gotta kind of you're like you remove pieces of the breast to make it look good, and you don't realize why.
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And then you see other people's their the breasts are boxy, it but because they're I can't if I was look at a breast, yeah.
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That looks good.
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There's a round yeah, there's a reason you gotta cut out certain portions of it, or there's reasons you make certain cuts, or uh you know, you you draw it out beforehand and plan it, and like because in six months or nine months, you see the final shape.
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If you don't have that long-term follow-up, you're like, all right, I I make these cuts because the rest of the people draw it.
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But then once you're in it, you see why you make those different cuts.
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And you fine-tune it.
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Yeah, like but just to give you guys props, I I have a lot of clients, colleagues, friends that I've trained over the years, a lot of surgeons and doctors.
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Yeah, and I learned because I almost went to med school, or I thought if I was gonna continue in the conventional sports medicine, I wanted to go into orthopedic surgery.
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Yeah, then I found out that plastic surgeons and orthopedics are the rock stars of med school.
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Yeah, and I was like, not me.
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Yeah, I'm like, no, I'm done with school.
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Yeah, seven years of school, yeah, and then like no, because I started going the unconventional route.
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I went, I got into martial arts very early into college.
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Yeah.
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And thought what year was that, if you don't mind me asking?
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A long time ago.
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Uh 90 mid-90s.
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Well, I graduated undergrad 95.
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Okay, 95, 96.
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We're not that far off, but yeah, you know, very early on started intensive in martial arts and started fighting and teaching training and and teaching.
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And I was like, okay, I still very much like the the the education of sports medicine.
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Yeah, I want to learn as much as I can about the human body, yeah.
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Right, and that's the foundation that I would never ever ever take back.
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Yeah.
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But getting into the other areas of human performance, like various martial arts, and is what changed me.
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And I even What was your first martial art?
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First martial art was a very traditional style of kung fu.
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Okay.
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And now with MMA, back in the early days of MMA, before it was even MMA, it was like that's why I was asking, because like when we were in college, that's when like MMA was like starting up, like Ken Shamrock.
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I knew before it even got big that it was gonna be the biggest sport ever.
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Yeah.
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Because I I would go to people and say, Oh, yeah, you know, I fought fought a full contact style of Kung Fu, and they would kind of smirk, right?
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Guys that were an MMA.
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I'm like, I wouldn't give up that experience for anything.
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Yeah, what is MMA?
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MMA is a mix of martial arts, yeah.
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So, you know, the dudes that just like to get in the cage and just brawl, and you know, but the ones that really study the arts and understand that this is a process of deduction.
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Yeah, you you study as much as you can and you toss out the stuff that doesn't work.
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Yeah, right.
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You can't just be a slave to one teacher or one process.
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And that's where I think my mindset, all of this has kind of progressed.
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I've always been that way.
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I knew what was not efficacious early on in the con in that first art I studied.
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Yeah, I liked a lot, but to learn movement and then and learn how to be fluid and a lot of the things that I learned in that art, I wouldn't give up for anything.
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Yeah, we've wrestled with wrestling, yeah.
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So I know you guys wrestled.
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Nobody ever would have considered that a martial art 25 years ago.
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It's very much a martial art, and very much an effective one.
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Yeah, you get into grass.
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The discipline, and then I actually like at the beginning, he would sign me up at bars for the whole bar fighting because MMA was coming about this isn't brought up.
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And I was like, and like you know, with the wrestling background, these guys thought they could brawl, and like you don't get in a cage with throwing punches off your back.
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Hey, I mean, my roommate in college could have wrestled Ohio State, yeah, yeah, but he wanted to play lacrosse.
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He's still in the hall of fame, like number two face-off guy in over 30 years, 25 years, 20, 20 years.
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It's approaching that.
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Yeah, but 10 years ago, it's just a monster, yeah.
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But he he loved lacrosse, yeah.
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And I learned early on, and it's one thing, I mean, all of my buddies in high school, you know, we were state champs for a couple years, they were all wrestlers.
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Yeah.
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I what it just wasn't me back then.
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Yeah, I didn't find that intensity till after, but I wish if there was one thing I wish I could go back, it would be the foundation of wrestling.
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And it's not just the wrestling, it's what it does for you, your mentality with training and the intensity.
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The vision quests, the vision quests we always talk about.
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It's seriously those vision.
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Like, even though I like wrestled in college, too, like division three, nothing big.
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Like I always wish I'd tried a little harder, gave it a little more effort.
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Like, because once it's gone, it's gone, you know.
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Um getting back to like what you're saying, like mix mixing things together.
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Um, because like if you really focus on kung fu, even wrestling, if you really focus on wrestling, being the best wrestler, there there's a ceiling.
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But like when you start mixing in different genres together, whether it's wrestling or art, like whether you go from painting, sculpting, incorporating things you learn from different aspects, then you can find like new avenues of growth rather than like having a bar, like having a setting where like you can't go beyond, but when you start mixing things together, then you can go past what that like that previous high point could have been.
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And here's the you know, I would always tell guys I would train, and I could pick him out.
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I could say, okay, this guy is not cerebral enough, yeah, no, no offense, not intelligent enough, amazing physical gifts, yeah.
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But that's it, you're gonna have a ceiling.
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Yeah, and and the only the dichotomy there is, I wholeheartedly agree with you, to be able to do and and experience, but you have to study.
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Yeah, yeah, you have got to utilize the process of elimination, you have got to study.
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Yeah, you can't just go, I'm gonna study all this stuff part-time, yeah, and then not throw out the stuff because you your your mind will be a clusterfuck.
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Yeah, so that'll be you won't be able to use any of it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So it's study and practice, same thing with medicine.
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Study and practice.
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You have to be able to throw out what doesn't work, or you need to be training 12 hours a day.
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Yeah, because we both know we both know shitty doctors who scored the highest on the every test they were given, like top percentile, but they just like they can't apply it or can't talk to people.
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So, like in practice, it doesn't mean anything that you scored 99th percentile on some tests.
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No, you might have gone to Harvard because of it, but doesn't mean you're a good surgeon.
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So I mean it doesn't I went to Harvard, it can transfer, yeah, but it doesn't necessarily transfer.
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Yeah, you know, it it's yeah.
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It's a separate like part of the brain that's activated.
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So so the the reason, I mean, fast forward, yeah.
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Now it's diving into designing the the atmosphere and the the mechanisms we use.
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I also don't use a lot of conventional terminology, that's how fed up I am with the industry.
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Yeah, I don't like the word fitness.
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I prefer to talk in Latin terms is how we were talking that's pushing it for med school, but I don't like the word fitness.
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Yeah, I I can't stand if somebody calls me a personal trainer.
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Yeah, just the the connotation of it.
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And the reason I needed to continue to push the envelope further and further and make every day about evolution, yeah, is because I got so fed up with it.
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Just an example, you take a big box gym, remain nameless, and I have a very good friend.
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I have some guys that I trained for a while back in the day, and you know, MMA and then and then strength and conditioning.
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They didn't they were kind of lost, didn't really know what they wanted to do.
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I'm like, I think I want to become a trainer.
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And I roll my eyes, I'm like, look, do it, follow it.
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You don't have to get a college degree, but go take some college-level courses.
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Yeah, don't just go do this fast food bullshit.
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Yeah, sure enough, go study for a week, get a certification and a weekend.
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Fast forward one year, the same individual becomes the top trainer at said box gym with no real education, yeah, it's because he sold a lot.
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Yeah, he had a lot of clients.
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Yeah.
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But there's just there's a lot of idiocracy there.
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It's not right.
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And I sports massage therapy.
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You know, I've had people they come out and they have no business practicing on people.
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It's it's across the board.
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Yeah.
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And it's it's bad.
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And and I I think Arizona is worse than a lot of like I did CrossFit in New York and I did CrossFit here.
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I thought like the trainers in New York would take you through warm-ups, make sure you had good form, watch everything.
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Over here, it was just like go, go, go.
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And like, you know, I'm in mid-30s, I'm going against college kids, and I've always lifted heavy and being like super competitive.
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I'm not gonna slow down.
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No, right.
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Although slow down for a few weeks, then like I'm going hardcore and trying to, you know, I think I'm gonna be in the CrossFit Olympics or something.
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And you know, that's the way you just injure yourself.
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Yeah, and like the coaches don't slow you down, where in New York they would slow you down, you know, and they have you do the things right.
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Over here, it was just like do more, do more, you know, and even if it wasn't right.
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The conundrum with CrossFit, you just say the word and you're gonna have 50 to 60, maybe 70% of the people roll their eyes because it became big.
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Anytime something becomes big, people want to bash it.
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Yeah.
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The amazing thing with CrossFit, they took all that bullshit machines where you sit on, sit, go from machine to machine and do one isolated muscle group, yeah, like posers.
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We can get into that.
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But they took all that away.
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Everything is a compound movement.
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Yeah, you're standing, you're moving your body.
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Now, so I think it's amazing.
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Yeah, the flip side is what you're just talking about.
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They pumped out so many training facilities.
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Yeah, I bet if you went to 20 different facilities, I'd say you'd probably be about 50-50.
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Okay, this individual really, really knows how to train people.
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Yeah, he knows how to take someone from every demographic and work with them.
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Yeah, you have to have that ability.
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Yeah, if you don't, people are gonna get hurt.
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Yeah, you can't force the other is lack of evolution.
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Yeah.
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In order for this to continue as a form of training for normal people and not just be, I always said I think CrossFit is gonna continue to be big in the competition atmosphere, yeah, but it'll start to slip a little bit just in the general training for general people, general plants.
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Because you need to be able to evolve.
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It already has, right?
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Well, everything cannot be your base power lifts.
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Yeah, I'm not doing locking arms out overhead anymore.
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I've already had four shoulder surgeries, six dislocations.
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I already have a full replacement, yeah, and we'll have one on this one.
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Yeah, I could do it, but it's not worth it.
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Yeah, I'll design other things that are just as good.
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Yeah, you have to evolve the platform as well.
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Yeah, but overall, I I think it's amazing.
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Yeah, yeah, I got tendonitis like all my fingers and wrists, and I you just gotta be careful because if you're not doing it right, you're putting so much straight on your uh even if you're doing it right, even if you're doing it.
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Even if you're doing it right, your platform needs to evolve a little bit.
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Not everyone I'm trying to be nice because my wife is a physical therapist and she's just like like looking at these exercises, like, what the hell is this?
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Well, of course.
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And then, like what you're saying about personal trainers, like you just watch people be like, they're getting paid to like teach this guy to like hurt himself by like a 60-year-old guy, 70-year-old guy.
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You're like, Why, why is he trying to do a fucking pull-up?
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Why does he have 120 pounds on that lat and coming down a third of the way and then what's that?
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No, you should have 200.
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No, I I I it it's it's I've made a study of it, and I didn't enter a corporate gym for over 25 years.
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Yeah, the last time I was in one, they practically kicked me out.
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Yeah, because they thought I was trying to train people.
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No, these people are approaching me because they see me doing crazy shit.
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Yeah, and I don't like the bullshit equipment they have in there, so I'm using them different.
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Yeah, I'd be on a chest press machine and I'm propping my foot up against it and using it like a jungle gym and doing rows and rearranging shit, yeah.
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And they got pissed.
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Yeah.
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Like, no, you're not supposed to use like that, and you're not supposed to be training.
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I'm not training people, yeah.
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They were just curious.
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I raised curiosity in them because their trainers are such bullshit.
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Yeah.
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I mean, no offense, but you know, the the problem is there's a lot of misleading.
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There's a lot of that's why they're their retention rate on their personal trainers.