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so hot topic.
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Hot topic in honor of rams absence.
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We're going to talk about viral trends.
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What he loves taking scoops and scoops of is Collagen.
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Collagen, yeah, collagen.
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So what are we thinking?
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There's a lot of viral content going on, a lot of people putting out their own supplements.
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So Lemmy's collagen in gummy form.
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The dosage in the gummy form is like'm like.
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I don't know, it might be a toenail, half a toenail, something.
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It's very very need, like a whole worth of toenails.
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Well, that video is saying like in 30 days things change for her.
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First of all, the dosage of that's not enough on there, that brand.
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The thing they did right was vitamin c, but anything that comes in gummy form I'm quite skeptical about when you say vitamin c, like?
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is vitamin c good in combination with collagen, with?
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collagen, because of you know collagen's like the building block and vitamin C helps kind of build those building blocks of collagen.
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And the combination they have there is good, but it's got a very small amount of collagen, hydrolyzed collagen, in there.
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So for that to have any effect at all, probably not effect at all.
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Um, probably not.
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Anything in gummy form I tell people to be quite skeptical about, because you know they usually are underpowered.
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They just taste good.
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It's a.
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It's great marketing.
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Who doesn't like taking gummies?
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Yeah, and you know, like who's going to take two gummies?
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You can take four or six, you know, just add sugar to it, yeah.
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Somebody take whatever if you just add sugar to it.
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Yeah, they all got sugar in them.
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That's why everybody used to come to me in undergrad to make all their jungle juice.
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Yeah, they're like this is great.
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What'd you put in it?
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I was like, oh, it's grain, alcohol and Kool-Aid.
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Yeah, they're like how do?
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you know the right amount to mix.
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I'm like I just keep putting kool-aid in there until you can't taste the grain alcohol.
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Yeah, so it's the same same thing they're going for.
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Yeah, yeah so.
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So the lemmy brand, you know not one that, like, I don't think it does anything.
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Um and beyond that, like, especially not in 30 days like, for you to see any changes with taking collagen, especially in your skin, it's going to take, you know, 8 to 12 weeks of being on the supplement daily what would be the benefits of taking collagen?
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so you know, some of the stuff they say is true, some of the stuff they say is false, um, some of it it's anecdotal some stuff like people like a lot of it feel the benefits or something, but it's not statistically yeah, most of the studies don't actually like you know, and they're run by the industry yeah so you know how much of it is true is unknown so you can say that about pretty much everything yeah, but some things have like blinded studies that are done appropriately and not run by the industry.
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But um, but a lot of the collagen stuff's run by industry and you know they purport what they want, but I think a lot of it comes to hydration, you know.
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I think it's overall hydration to your skin.
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So it does improve, like the plumpness of your skin, but it does take the eight to 12 weeks and you got to take it daily.
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You got to take appropriate amounts and make sure it's like.
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The form that you need to get it in is the hydrolyzed form.
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There's a lot of other kinds you could get but the hydrolyzed because the hydrolyzed form your stomach can actually absorb through your gut lining.
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So, rather than breaking it down before it brings it in and then remakes, it.
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So you're not going to actually remake the collagen, so your body's going to, so it's a good source of protein and it's so you're.
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You're not going to actually remake the collagen, so your body's gonna, so it's a good source of protein and it's a supplement, and you can't say it's like directly going into your skin care yeah, skin care, so you know your body's going to use that cool yeah, it's ingesting it's.
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Yeah, your body's going to use that collagen the best way it can, so it could automatically like when you take it in.
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Some of it's going to go to like building your skin, but a lot of it's going to be used to like whether your body needs it for energy or something else.
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It's going to get used up.
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And some of it does go into, like building that video she was pretty much saying the effects on her abs.
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I think right, was she?
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Yeah, it doesn't do anything for the abs, it doesn't you don't build, you don't build muscle.
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Um, you know, collagen, everything but if it's a healthy diet supplemented with collagen, like because you've said it before collagen, collagen with heavy doses in bone broth, yeah.
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But even that, when you read the studies and stuff, you can drink gallons and gallons of bone broth but you're not going to absorb that collagen that's in there because it's not broken down for you to be able to digest it.
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Do you absorb any of that?
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You do, but it's very little amount and it's not in the form that you need to for your skin and eat your salt-free bone broth.
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No bone broth is good for you in other ways, but like you're not taking it for the collagen, so collagens can be naturally created in your body.
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Yeah, and it requires like three amino acids, I believe Collagens are protein, yeah so, and it requires like three amino acids.
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I believe Collagen is a protein?
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Yeah, correct, um, are any of those proteins, uh, amino acids, sorry, essential, like do you have to ingest anything?
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No, so those are all chains.
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So just brings me to like cause I supplement with amino acids and collagen.
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Yeah, like am I just spending a lot on supplements because I make I, I, I think overall, like I take it every day I think it does improve your skin.
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I I take the thorn brand, yeah, and that has a lot of that.
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Has other stuff for skin health as well.
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Um, that are been well tested and the thorn.
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Collagen blend or amino acid blend, the thorn collagen blend do you take and also I I do I put?
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I put the, their amino complex, which is the nine essential aminos that your body doesn't make, and you have to take it.
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Do you feel?
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at some points like a random thought today.
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Yeah, because I take like what, like five, six pills, yeah, in the morning for a supplement.
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Yeah.
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And five powders.
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Yeah.
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And the five powders are put in the Yetii jug.
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That we both have just to make sure we stay hydrated and get all all the essentials.
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Yeah, do you think we're?
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We're kind of like trying to put together whatever it took to originally like put life together on earth.
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Yeah, like, okay, this is like just sprinkle some more of that on there yeah, make.
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Well, your body depletes this or that, yeah, you know, and then that's.
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That's the thing with collagen too, that.
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So your body begins to, you know, decrease collagen after you're 20 and you're in mid-20s, and then by 30s, production yeah, and by 30 you're like losing about one percent collagen per year.
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Okay, in your system.
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And you could do things to speed that up and do you know what those are.
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So something.
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What you're describing is is stagflation of my collagen from recent so smoking, eating sugar, eating poorly, you know um uv radiation yeah, all that stuff's gonna decrease the amount of collagen you're producing and break down the collagen you have.
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So that's why you see wrinkling, poor aging with you know, lack of collagen that makes sense.
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I haven't met somebody that smokes with nice thick, plump skin.
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Yeah, just like man.
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What are you doing?
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What's your secret?
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Especially good, oh, I smoke cigarettes.
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I dip yeah, well, it's especially good when they're tanning, smoking a cigarette and drinking a margarita, so you're hitting all three all at once.
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So, yeah, collagen is essential and we both use it.
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Yeah, I, I use, I put that, I put the essential aminos and I use creatine.
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Every day I make a jug and that's where we're going with the supplement line we're kind of making is to cover everything.
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Yeah, so you have the all-in-one.
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We don't have collagen in there, but you know, it's not not one of the essential things we thought.
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But everything's in there.
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It helps make more collagen, especially at the right doses.
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Yes, what's going viral now about collagen?
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My favorite collagen brands.
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So if you're new to my channel, hi.
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My name is Robert Love.
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I'm a neuroscientist.
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I specialize in helping people prevent Alzheimer's disease with science, and collagen can be a really powerful tool in anti-aging as well as reducing the risk of Alzheimer's disease.
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If you've seen the research, there's been a recent review showing that regular collagen supplementation improves skin quality, specifically improves skin hydration, it improves skin elasticity and it reduces wrinkles.
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So that's cool.
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And the look the longer, the younger you look, the younger you feel.
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So that could be really good.
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Number two there's research to show that collagen improves bone density and muscle density in women.
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That's really helpful and it's really important to exercise to reduce the risk of alzheimer's.
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So having healthier bones and having healthier muscles enables you to do more healthy exercise.
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So what brands do I take?
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So this is one that I've been taking most frequently.
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This is Vital Proteins.
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I get this at Costco.
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I ordered this online.
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It was like 40 bucks.
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This is like $30 at Costco, so I bought a whole bunch of this.
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I've been taking this for maybe six months.
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I like the chocolate the best.
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This is the neutral flavor.
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This is all they had, and I'm trying a new kind.
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This is Organe Collagen Peptides.
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I also got this from Costco.
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I haven't tried this out yet, so I can't tell you which one's better, but I'm testing these to see which one feels better in my body.
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And then someone just sent this to me.
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By the way, none of these are sponsors of the show.
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None of these sponsored my channel.
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I just got sent this one.
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This is modere and, uh, this one looks really promising.
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Look, look, how nice it looks.
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I'm going to try this out and see how this feels as well.
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So what do you think?
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about that one.
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Anytime somebody starts a video with I'm a, this person like if if I made a video and I was like, hey, I'm a plastic surgeon, it's like that would automatically like turn me off yeah.
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I'm a used car salesman which, hey, our dad was, yeah, and we technically I was actually for a brief period of time.
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Nothing wrong with that, you own up to it.
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But like what do you you?
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Why do you have to?
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Like you don't give people your title right away, like hey, I'm a bachelor of arts in psychology, which this guy sounds like he has he needs to kind of see a psychologist.
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But but like no, not if he's making sales on tiktok videos I guess not.
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There's some well more more money, more problems, right, maybe, but like his whole, like reason to take collagen to prevent Alzheimer's with being you know.
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And, like I said, like the studies he's reporting, like look at the studies, who's running them, yeah, and what they're using.
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He's just thrown out these brands that I got.
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I gotta tell you the um, I just randomly not randomly, but like looking at like different things that we've like looked up for, like what's actually good with longevity and like science of whatever science nature.
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Yeah, new england journal is I.
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I really like the research behind processed red meats and dose dependent being highly correlative to alzheimer's.
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Yeah, and it's not like you're a wholesome grass-fed like red meats, it's specifically processed red meats and like your mcdonald's red meat dude, it's hot dogs yeah, hamburgers like low-end stuff too, I mean it's.
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It's the cheaper goods, so they'll sell.
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Yeah, to a certain degree it doesn't matter.
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But do they have collagen in them?
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Not if you supplement with that.
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But you could pour that collagen powder on it.
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Right, you can pour the collagen powder on your face actually.
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You're free to pour it anywhere you want.
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So what if they're making those meat patties with that collagen?
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powder.
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I'm just going to go to a nursing home and just sprinkle collagen powder on everybody's face.
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Yeah, so their face looks younger, but like he's talking about alzheimer's and like it just preventing alzheimer's.
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I would not take from a self-proclaimed neurobiologist.
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Yeah, let's see so yeah, he's like so your skin looks healthier, so you're gonna think like you're younger, your bones are gonna be stronger, but like those studies you know no, your bones are always stronger if you forget how weak they were the day before.
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Yeah, exactly, but like, but.
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Like he's saying on a female study that I think I know what studies he's talking about and that was also industry run and there's a lot of faults in that one too Faults and biases and confounding factors.
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Collagen does help is it does help with elasticity, does help with, um, your skin being more plump and well hydrated.
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That stuff it does.
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It does help with even with, like, building bone strength and, yeah, muscle strength and, in the females, um so it's not not to because collagen's everywhere so it's going to help out in different areas.
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The like the first video talking about hair growth and stuff like it may help with the hair growth but like hair is made of keratin, it's not actually collagen.
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So it's a little after watching that video and looking at my chest hair, I'm like I might be taking in way too much collagen.
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Yeah, do you rub it on your chest.
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No, I'm about to.
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That might be when you're spilling the scoop on your chest.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you just sprinkle it on my face and some of it spills on my chest.
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Yeah.
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That's why the beard has to be shaved every day.
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But like I was thinking of on the chest, yeah, just from my collagen excess yeah, yeah.
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So like there hasn't been studies showing like collagen collagen improves your hair growth or anything like that so.
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So what I want to know is like is it better to take one of these collagen supplements or an amino acid complex?
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well, if it contains the you know it matters, I don't know they you know a lot of the studies like the thing is, a lot of the studies also like, when you look at it, they're taking multiple different things, so it's not controlled forget studies.
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Let's do a meta analysis on tiktok stuff.
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Yeah, so if you're?
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taking in the same amino acids that are in collagen and it's going to help out your elasticity.
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But when you're taking the essential aminos, that's helping more your catecholamines, your hormones and everything like that, so it's not going to help with your skin health as much.
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So here's my theory when you're taking the building blocks to make collagen, or whatever type of protein, yeah, that your body needs to make, yeah, to just get by or be better.
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It's, uh, if you're deficient in one route, like okay, this is better for your skin, this is better for, like, gut health, liver health.
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Uh, if you're deficient in any of them because it's it's like mix and match, right, yeah, 20 amino acids.
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Your body grabs a bunch of them, makes a protein out of it and like delivers it to a certain system, so it's, it's almost like all right, you can take those specific amino acids to make collagen, yeah.
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However, if they they're needed in a pathway, for it's going to bind with something else, yeah, it'll bind with something else, or your body kind of self-regulates.
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So if you need more going to bone, like, let's say, two out of those three amino acids, go to that yeah, but but like, yeah, the whole thing is like it's a supplement and it's an additive that you, you could take every day, just like a multivitamin, you know, and like even multivitamins just recently proven, like they did a study and like showed to extend life, um, uh, I gotta go back to that study.
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It was just reported a few weeks ago.
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I couldn't get the full article I think it's probably biased a little bit, because it probably is, but you don't know which vitamins and the they might not just that if you're in, if you're willing to take a vitamin every day, you're inherently more willing to take care of yourself than somebody that doesn't almost like like here's the health for like brushing your teeth, but.
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But the multivitamin was in a controlled setting where they gave some people and some people placebo.
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But here's the thing with people.
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Yeah, were they at the 7-eleven?
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yeah, with stuff with what you're trying to do with collagen and skin care, like, yeah, it's going to help, I think, like supplementing, like when you're trying to heal stuff or when you, you know, like we do microneedling or laser treatments.
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I think, when you're doing those treatments, to increase the collagen in your skin, it's probably helpful to have that to so you're able to produce more.
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So you're saying supplement definitely.
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So you're saying supplement definitely if you're doing any type of I think it's helpful that makes a lot of sense actually, yeah, and like doing appropriate skincare and that's where you're gonna see, you know, direct effect of, yeah, the the collagen, not actually putting the collagen on your skin, because that's not going to work because your body's not going to absorb that collagen.
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Um, it's, you know, taking that.
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You're so, internally, your body's making it and it's had this trauma that it's going to produce more collagen so it has the food to be able to right.
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Correct the building blocks to the building blocks, like we always hear in, like med school, yeah, um, but the building blocks to have the appropriate response for the treatment you're getting, yeah, so like, get the appropriate things and supplement to really get the full effect of yeah what, what?
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Whatever you're getting done is gonna like you.
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So collagen is in everything.
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It's pretty much the scaffolding, or you could you know if you've got a wood-framed house, it's the wood frame to the house.
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You know, type 1 and 3 are in like your bones.
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2 is in your cartilage, 3 is in your cartilage.
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um, uh, three is in your vessels.
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Uh, yeah, that's right.
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Right, three's in the vessels.
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I I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah, it's in muscles.
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I used to what I needed to know, but yeah three is in muscles, tendons, um, I think four's in your vessels, endothelial lining, uh, so they're building blocks and everything you have it's a nice connective tissue, like even, even if, like from what you're saying is like even in tissues that you don't think, collagen is there, yeah, it's still there, supporting the system.
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yeah, keeping things together, yeah.
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And you know like paying more for some of these supplements over others it's.
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You know, collagen is usually pretty cheap peptide to be able to get.
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And then you know there's different stories about, like you know, marine collagen versus bovine collagen or cow collagen versus, you know, pig collagen, which one's better and one's better than the other, Like there's no, you know, I think there was one study that said like the marine collagens better for skin but not for.
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What are marine collagens From?
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For skin, but not from dolphin fins, yeah, from dolphin?
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really no, I don't know what they're from.
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I was like.
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Dolphin fins sound like a really good source of collagen, but if you're eating vegan collagen, that's not true collagen.
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So yeah, if you're, if you're eating vegan.
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You're not eating.
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Eating, yeah, correct, yeah, okay, I don't know what that means Like fish bones.
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Well, yeah, it's from fish, so it could come, yeah, probably from bones and stuff.
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I think an understudied thing is actual absorption.
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Yeah, because, like a lot of people take a lot of different supplements.
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Yeah.
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And from different brands, and it's clearly why we picking our brains the way we do.
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We think they have the best absorption yeah there's no like actual studies to like go off of, like.
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Okay, you know what I'm taking this to benefit me this way and this way and this way.
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You can also have genetic abnormalities where you're not absorbing it either too, or digesting right.
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True, or just like the microbiomes don't break things down the way they're supposed to.
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So I don't know.