HOW A TRIP TO THE CHIROPRACTOR CAN RESET YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM

Meet Network Spinal Chiropractic

SPEAKER_03 0:19

All right. Hi, I'm Dr. Rusba Tarabi. And uh you're Shel is it Shelby? Shelby, yes. Gillespie, right? Yes. You're chiropractor, but you're you you do a something a little bit different.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

For sure, yeah. It's a very um just specific form of chiropractic. It's more niche down. It's called network spinal. So obviously chiropractor by trade, but the technique in which I practice is just a different art form with network spinal.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

And are there people all over the country that do this?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Or yes, it is growing to be a lot bigger. We're few and far between, more so than you would think now. There's only a couple of us around Arizona, around Phoenix Valley, um, who practices network spinal specifically, but it is growing a lot more. So there's more and more of us popping up.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

And how did you find out about it? How did you get into it?

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah, so with chiropractic school, I didn't even know something in this form of chiropractic existed until I got to chiropractic school. I actually had my own personal health experiences, things kind of going on. And I felt like the traditional form of chiropractic was just only getting me so far. Like I felt like there was something else missing. So I started doing my own research. Um, I guess just with what I was searching at the time, the keywords I was using, network spinal just kind of popped onto my feed of what I was searching. Uh, found out there was a practitioner 30 minutes from my school at the time. So just kind of like with a gut feeling and intuition, I just decided to pay, even though I was on a student budget, just pay for a care plan and get started with care. And it um changed everything for me. It just gave me more perspective and energy flowing through my system to actually connect with the things I was meant to. And then once I was healing in that

From Symptoms To A New Path

SPEAKER_01 2:15

form, I realized, oh, there's a club at my school. There's seminars I can go to on the weekend that are for this. So I was very connected with the technique very early on in school. It was like my second quarter out of 14.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Um, are you able to tell us some of the things that you were dealing with that it kind of helped with?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Yeah. So uh biggest things, I was noticing a lot of like heart palpitations, just a lot of bodily instances that felt abnormal. Like there were there were times where I felt like my body was going to give out on me. I lost a lot of trust in my system and body. Um, with the heart thing, it got to a point where I even was like, I need to go to a cardiologist. Like I thought something was seriously wrong. It really was just my body was in so much overwhelm with my nervous system that it just started to create those bodily symptoms. So that's just what it ended ended up being, essentially. But um that was what kind of made me search for something deeper because I knew it just wasn't like a physiological process. I knew there was something stemming from something deeper at the time.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

And other than with you know, with it helping some of the things you were dealing with, was there something that really intrigued you in Network Spinal?

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Yeah, I think the beautiful thing that intrigued me most about Network Spinal, it's a very beautiful blend of science and spirit to me. Um, I think chiropractic in its truest form is actually that as well. But just like with every other profession, people kind of get away from what chiropractic is in its truest form sometimes. Um, but that's what intrigued me most. It's just really what chiropractic is at the root, which is really focused on nervous systems specifically and removing any interference to that system so that you are connected back to who you actually are, um, which obviously is a beautiful thing, like people connecting to their most authentic self.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

And was there a patient that you treated that kind of changed the way you thought about it as well? Made you more interested in it?

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Yeah, I think um the beautiful thing about what I'm able to do with Network Spinal is I experience that daily. Like people coming into my office and having really big life shifts. Uh, whether it's like something that may be simple for someone, like, oh, I'm actually able to identify the next step and what feels most aligned for me.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Like maybe something as simple as like just routine, like in daily routine, but it could be really big things like people quitting their jobs, opening their own businesses, like feeling more tapped into who they actually want to be and what they want to present to the world. Um, also like really big disease type, like healing things too, like just with um, we see a lot of like multiple cirrhosis, we see a lot of

Science And Spirit In Care

SPEAKER_01 5:10

RA, like a lot of things like that. And that's like not what we like claim to heal diseases or anything. That's never anything that we claim as chiropractor, but um, it is just people have more life flow throwing through their system, so their life experience is just vastly different. So we get to see miracles and things like that on the daily, which makes it a really beautiful job.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

And so, how does this all start out with someone seeing you? Like, what are you looking at? What are you, you know, what are some of the most common questions you ask to figure out what these patients are, you know, dealing with?

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Yeah, so we do like a whole initial visit type of process within the office. The biggest things that we offer to kind of get like a big idea about the health and functioning of the nervous system. Um, we have this scanning technology. It's called CLA Insight Scans. It measures a nervous system in three different ways. So there's three separate scans. Um, they're handheld equipment, it's like radiation-free equipment, but it just gives a really good root inside picture about what's happening. So it measures heart rate variability is one, a thermography scan is the other to measure just where tension patterns are at the spinal cord level. And then we also do a posture EMG scan. So that kind of measures just like how efficiently you're using the energy stored within the postural muscles. We take posture pictures too, because that can kind of tie in with what we're seeing with the scans, just to see how people's bodies are kind of holding with the tension they're holding. Um, we feel obviously, like feel with the spine and everything

Scans That Map Nervous System Stress

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as well, just what's happening with the fascia, the muscles, all the tissue, just where the bones are sitting, how the body's being held, um, personal health history, kind of taking all of these clues together to see where they're first starting before we move forward with care.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

All right. And then so what's the what's the care plan usually that you know, like you're using with the most common patients?

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Yeah, no, that's a good question. Um, with us, we definitely do pretty intensive care plans to start. The way that I kind of equate it to like a good metaphor is like with something like working out. Like you wouldn't expect to do that every once in a while and expect really big shift and change. And it's kind of the same with the nervous system. We're just retraining the nervous system to tap into new patterns, release, and heal. So time is something that you unfortunately just can't get away from with this type of care. Um, but with that being said, we do like two to three times a week to start, but it's only for the first like couple of months. Then we taper as we go on, as we transition more into like a wellness maintenance type of structure. It's just we really have to um help the body build strategies and tools first before we can kind of move into that realm.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

What's some of the homework that you have these patients do? Like, what do they need to be doing at home along with coming in for the visits with you guys?

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Yeah. So with homework, I honestly don't assign like actual homework. Like I know there's some chiropractors that will do like um different posture exercises, like different things like that. And I personally don't necessarily assign things like that, but what I always tell people is just having more awareness of the things that can kind of affect your nervous system, can help you kind of move through different experiences just a little bit differently. So the way I describe that is calling it the three Ts, three T's that affect the nervous system. There's traumas, toxins, and thoughts. Yeah. So toxins being any chemical thing. So whether that's food, lotions, products at home, like anything like that can kind of affect your nervous

The Three Ts That Shape Stress

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system in different ways. Food, obviously, uh, thoughts is like emotions. So any emotional experience, whether you have like road rage on the road, on the way somewhere, or if you just like have a very big, exciting thing happen, like all those things are being interpreted through the nervous system. So it changes it. And then the last is trauma, so that's like physical stressors.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Okay. So you said food. So like how could you figure out like what foods are triggering them or like an issue?

SPEAKER_01 9:27

With food, the biggest thing is like unfortunately with our food system, it's not the best. So you can just do the best you can. So the way that I describe that is like being more focused on whole foods, less processed foods. I feel like more of us are obviously having a lot more awareness around that kind of thing with food in the US nowadays. Um, but like I think sometimes your body will give you reactions as well that kind of tell you, oh, I don't really like this, like whether that's like a skin rash, whether you have like bloating and things, like your body will give you communication and signals with some things as well. So I think um focusing on more like whole foods and things like that, but also paying attention and

Aging Patterns And Chronic Overload

SPEAKER_01 10:10

being in your body and just paying attention to what it's telling you.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

So do you do you think this um, you know, this being age-proof podcast, you know, the whole nervous system is it something that shows up earlier and is more of, you know, chronic stress is more of an issue with aging than anything else.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Right. Yeah. The biggest thing with with aging is a chronic stess chronic stress situation. Um the cool thing about this care is that it is for everybody because everybody has a nervous system, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Um, some of the stress though, like the patterns we're holding within our body could be there even from being in utero and the whole birthing process. So, like with this being the age-proof podcast, we may be holding patterns that that we've had. I'm 29, for example, for the fast past like 29 years. Yeah. So with an aging process, the more that we can ultimately heal and release the things that don't serve us anymore within the nervous system, really reorganize the whole nervous system to be more clear and conscious and connected, then we're going to live a healthier life. And that's ultimately what it is with nervous system care.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

So what one of the, you know, one of the

HRV Changes And What They Mean

SPEAKER_03 11:25

things I try to see to improve is like my HRV. My HRV is horrible. But do you do you see major changes in HRV in your patients with some of the things they do? Because I don't, you know, I sometimes get better HRV, but for the most part, it sticks in the teens. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

So yeah, we see a lot of change with HRV, again, because one of our scans is also measuring HRV. I know like aura rings, there's like a ton of things that get to measure it nowadays, which is cool. Um, but that is something we see lots of shift in for sure. With the like way our scans are able to see it, it kind of shows us like one half of the graph being that fight, flight, survival part of the nervous system, other half being like the rest digest, more of like that brake pedal nervous system. So it separates it into different quadrants. It gives us like a graph picture, and your dot is placed in one of these quadrants. So it can tell you if the body is tapped in a fight, flight at rest, if it's more in an exhausted state, if it's kind of right in the midline and able to bounce back and forth between both parts of the nervous system. So with that measuring tool, we check in throughout care plans to see how HRV is changing, and we do see a ton of shift with it overall. Sometimes HRV takes a little bit longer than some of the other things to shift and change, but we still do see quite a bit of shift. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

I I just relate it to being a surgeon. Like I don't think you're you're ever gonna de-stress, although I do meditation and breathing and I know you know you you use a lot of meditation and breathing exercises uh to help people,

Breathwork In The Treatment Room

SPEAKER_03 13:05

you know, it's kind of different, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Yeah, with um with like breath work type things, there's actually something that we use in office that's called somatorespiratory integration. So this is really just a fancy, fancy term for just like body and breath blended together. So with obviously doing the body work that we do with the gentle euch, with the network spinal, we also have some like different positionings and um different like sayings we say out loud to incorporate a whole like breathing modality as well. Um, it's a core it's incorporated with this 12 stages of healing by Donnie Epstein. He kind of breaks that down a little bit, but you blend somatorespiratory integration with these 12 stages of healing. So breath work is a big thing that we do also do just with an office in conjunction with the network spinal

Gentle Touch Versus Force Adjustments

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table sessions as well.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

And then so the gentle touch, how's that different than you know, your regular chiropractic where you know you see these videos on social media that are, you know, you're like, all right, that can't be in the US or that that guy can't be alive.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Yeah, it's tough. It's tough seeing those. Um, I think the obviously the biggest thing with it being gentle touch is there's no twisting and thrusting like some of the traditional Cairo. There's no like this crazy Y strap thing, like there's no really big force happening. Uh, but the way that I kind of explain that to people is presence is really inverse to force. So like you can apply this to all things in your life. Like if you're really there and you're really present with something, you don't have to force it as much as if you're just like, oh, I don't know how I want to move through this. If you're all up here trying to force something.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

So I feel like um with the gentle light touch, that is the biggest difference, is just there's more presence involved.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

With that, too, we just focus on the spine in a completely different way. So as opposed to approaching just the bony parts of the spine, we're more focused on the tone of the spinal cord and nervous system underneath.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

So we're actually approaching the areas that have the most available energy and information and kind of tapping into that with the light touch to invite the body to like be entrained into

Vagus Nerve Tools Versus Root Healing

SPEAKER_01 15:25

a different level of energy and information over time.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Yeah. And then the other thing, you know, being in like a lot of the longevity conferences and everything, there's a lot of talk about like vagus nerve stimulation. Yes. And even like on social media, being like a biohacker, that's like constantly a thing. Yeah. But when you read into it, most of it's like almost like a hoax. Some people are like, it saved my life. But for the most part, you read most of the reviews, if they're not bots, is usually like it didn't do anything, you know. Um what are your thoughts about vagus nerve stimulation? I and I know like medical grade from some of these longevity conferences that it's a higher cost than some of these gadgets you buy two, three hundred dollars, and it's supposed to like give you that relaxation and parasympathetics.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Right. I think um it has been interesting like seeing this new term, like the biohack of like the nervous system. I don't know if I personally love that term, uh, just because like going back to the time thing, like there may be patterns and experiences and things that we're holding that are years and years old. So, like unfortunately, like a like a five-minute little biohack is not going to actually heal and resolve at the root level. It's it's a tool that can be used to kind of like self-regulate in a moment, but is it actually going to heal at the root? I don't think necessarily. I think that's deeper work that needs to be done. Um, but with vagus nerve specifically, with being tapped into the vagus nerve, that is when we're actually able to be tapped into healing. So it is an important place to be tapped into. Yeah. Um, but again, I do think it takes like deeper healing to really tap into that space more often because it's not just a quick fix moment, it's tapping into it over and over and over again. Yeah. So we can tap into the healing over and over again.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Yeah, and I think like some of and the reason I haven't bought any of the stimulators, and my brothers asked me multiple times. He's like, because he he wants his wife to kind of get it more in parasympathetics. Right. And I'm like, I I don't know. I'm like, just try breathing exercises. For me, it's like, you know, you kick into it, but like it's not like you can stay in that state, but you gotta repeatedly keep on doing those breathing exercises to be able to get into that state.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Yeah, I think that's uh another important note too, is like I think there's a common misconception that healing or being tapped into the parasympathetic state means like we're always going to be zen and calm and like we're not gonna have a human experience. And we're here having a human experience, so we are actually needing to tap into both sides of the spectrum. Like, for example, if we're out in the woods and a bear comes, you don't want to be in parasympathetic, like you need the fight flight to engage, but it is like where the chronic stress comes in. We are tapping into that fight flight when we're just trying to send like an email as opposed to being chased by a bear. So that's where it becomes an issue. But they are both still important. So I think um, yeah, that's been like an interesting thing I've been seeing all over recently is like healing is actually feeling something too. It's not just constantly being in the parasympathetic.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

Yeah, exactly. Um so I I use, you know, I I use brain tap and that tends to, you know, with the light and frequencies and and it it does use a lot of breathing exercises, I think, that kind of relaxes. Um and I get great sleep with it. How how are you able to, you know, and uh what you do probably

Sleep Improvements Through Regulation

SPEAKER_03 19:15

helps a lot with patients getting sleep. Yeah. Do you get a lot of people that come in with insomnia and you know you're treating them and like figuring out like, you know, getting them into a pattern, getting better sleep?

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Yeah, absolutely. Um, because again, like especially in our worlds today, there's just so much overload that our systems are constantly getting. So, of course, it is harder for our systems to kind of wind down. We have access to so much that can kind of keep us tapped in, even after hours when we're not supposed to be tapped into anything anymore. Um, so with this care, like really allowing the body to easier tap into that rest state, that heal state, we do see people who have a ton of better sleep with this. And I think that's interesting that like some people actually don't think that that's something that would change. They come in for some different scenario, some different ailment, some different thing, and they're like, I actually am like sleeping seven, eight hours when I used to sleep like five. Is like that's something that can change with this. I'm like, absolutely, because the body is is able to kind of tap into that rest heel more often.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

Yeah. And then um, you know, and do you do any work with you know, pre-operative patients or post-operative patients, you know, patients

Surgery Recovery And Post Injury Care

SPEAKER_03 20:35

that have had surgeries and stuff? You must see, you know, you must see more like towards ortho world where you know they're getting hip and knee replacements. Are you able to work with these patients and like helping them heal better or quicker or however it is?

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously um our systems are so interconnected. So even something like down, knee, ankle, things like that can relate back to what's happening in the spine. So really focusing on the alignment in the spine and allowing the the rest of the system to kind of tap into that alignment as well can be really helpful for people like that, absolutely. Um, especially yeah, with hips, ankles, knees, things like that. I think um also too, we see a lot of people who experience a lot of emotional distress things like post-operative, like them like relating and being safe in their body again. Like I feel like that's something that we've helped a lot of people with as well, is just kind of like healing and processing and releasing that experience because it can be a really big experience for people too.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Yeah, I think I think like you know, I've said this before on this podcast, but it like everything's so interconnected, and uh like once you figure it out, and that's where I kind of search for what's wrong. If even if my hand hurts, you know, you start thinking differently, you respond differently to questions. or and also your bowel habits changed, like everything changed. You know, like your your gut, your brain, your entire system like almost becomes inflamed all at once. Yeah. And like even like having like a flu or whatever, you know, it kind of like all of a sudden you have all these other ailments. Um like if you treat it appropriately and go to the stem root, you can kind of take care of it all.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Yeah, exactly. That's that's the biggest thing is is really addressing at the root level, which is why we just focus so much on nervous system because it is the system that controls all other bodily systems like immune system, digestive system, like all the things that the body is able to do filters through nervous system first. It's also just how we perceive our entire world and interact with our world. It all has to to flow through that nervous system.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

So yeah and the other thing I've you know um there are some people talking about you know dealing with back issues and problems where you know there's different breathing patterns they've used to strengthen it pretty much strengthens the core and you know gets the right breathing pattern you can kind of go away from needing back surgery or anything like that, correct?

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah I mean I think um we're a lot more powerful than than we may think and the body is is a healing organism like we're we're alive and and we have a healing ability there's an innate wisdom within all of us. So I think the people who have more trust in that and are able to kind of use modalities with that awareness can have bigger shift and impact because they know that the body can heal itself.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Yeah. And what what

Chronic Stress Signs People Miss

SPEAKER_03 23:50

are some of the biggest things that come along with chronic stress? Like what are you know what are some things that people wouldn't know that like chronic they think they're just stressed out and like what could that lead to?

SPEAKER_01 24:03

So many things. I think the biggest thing with chronic stress in general it can be like just like a silent killer. It could be like simple things like not getting enough sleep at night, having actual bodily symptoms where like your chest feels tight, you feel like your neck is always on 10 every time you're trying to move it. Like there can be bodily things that come up with chronic stress. But I think too just like what I was saying earlier like if you're trying to have a phone conversation and you can feel your heart rate start to speed up if you're just trying to like have a conversation with somebody in in a way that typically wouldn't ignite a fight flight. If you're getting some type of bodily reaction that is flight flight, that's a big indicator of chronic stress. But the way that it can just break down the body over time is with the chronic stress it can start to lead to like chronic health problems in regards to like lungs, heart, all bodily systems because again it's connected to the nervous system. So if it reaches a certain level of overwhelm and there's no release or reorganization and healing from there, then ultimately it's just going to completely break down. Yeah. And that's just something that happens over and over again.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

And like cancer and stuff like that. Absolutely some of those can be part of this oh I wanted to just ask like what are some things that you want patients to do on Derek I know I I asked about homework but yeah are there daily routines that you suggest like patients you know other than like inappropriate diet and like is there meditation or breathing exercises

Body Scans For Daily Awareness

SPEAKER_03 25:45

that you you usually want patients to do?

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Yeah there something that I um invite patients to do a lot is just bringing more connection back to being in their body. I think a lot of the times we bypass things that are happening in our body because we're so tapped into our mind constantly so I think feeling into your body can be a really big healing thing. So the way that I invite people to do that and I do this often as well is like just doing body scans with yourself every once in a while like really getting present with your system seeing if anything feels off if the energy's off if you feel like tightness anywhere just like noticing things about your bodily system. And then I kind of go down like a rabbit hole with it. Like it might sound strange but like if I find tightness or like an energetic shift somewhere within my system I ask like hey why why are you feeling this way? Like why are you there? And you can go down this whole rabbit hole with it sometimes. And the way that I like invite people to sit with it is just noticing some type of change. So like for example if at first you get like a vision of something blue and and it feels like kind of jagged and rough but then you ask it questions, bring breath and invitation to change and it starts to shift into something yellow and it now it's pillowy and soft. Like the energy has already shifted and that's already creating change within the body. So that's just like something that was a tool I used personally that I have been inviting a lot of my practice members to use on their own as well just to kind of like scan through and be in their bodies a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

And are there other different modalities that you guys are using in your practice compared to like going to general chiropractic?

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Not outside of just the different technique with the network spinal being the gentle touch versus the traditional form of what you think of with Cairo. Obviously using that some out of respiratory integration so using some more breath work things that's something that can be missed in a traditional Cairo experience as well. And then not all offices have the scanning technology we have that we use to kind of tap into the the root of what's happening with health and functioning of nervous system and how that's really shifting over time with the check-ins that

Spinal Gateways And Whole Body Effects

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we do.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

So and you know with the gentle touch the the question that came to mind is you know like how acupuncture works and is is it very similar to the points they use in acupuncture that you're using with the gentle touch.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

It's actually not but the idea is similar in the sense of like this one area can create shift everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

So like the areas that we're creating or making contacts they're called spinal gateways so they're areas along the spine usually just within the neck region and then also the sacrum and tailbone region.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

Reason being is because the spinal cord actually anchors to the spine in those regions like there's like a bodily place that it's attached. So we're just like touching and inviting the body to tap into areas in those spinal gateways it's kind of like an eye of a hurricane it's like where the most amount of available energy and information is sitting so we kind of tap into that to ripple affect everything else within the body just directly with where the spinal cord is connecting. Kind of like the it it's mainly like the craniosacral similar yes very similar yeah craniosacral is a a chiropractic technique that actually was like one of the pieces that Donnie Epstein used when he created network spinal. So network spinal was like a pool of all these kind of different things that was one of them.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

Yeah and the reason I note that one was more you know my first son was colicky and you know just trying to figure that out was yeah like you learned a lot you know people were using cranosecal movements trying to get rid of colic and stuff. Yeah I didn't try any moves on my kid but yeah but like j just some of the gentle stuff to try to see if it actually worked.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Yeah yeah we see a lot of lots of

Cold Plunge And Other Modalities

SPEAKER_01 30:00

babies and kiddos um and in office as well and do same thing.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

Are there any modalities or like cold plunge, red light, anything that you know patients must come nowadays like patients always come and ask about it or hyperbaric therapy oxygen therapy and stuff that you suggest uh with some of these patients.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

I mean I feel like with the modalities I think it doesn't hurt for people to see if it makes change for them. I'm never one to be like you know I think you should really try this thing but if I mean if people ask me an opinion about it like obviously I'll give an opinion I think um the biggest thing is just steering people in a direction that's more aligned to like their chemistry and makeup like for example um with like a cold plunge can be really helpful for men but like because being a woman with our hormones and the way they spike differently than men a cold plunge is not the best for a women's nervous system. So like that's like one example I have but like outside of that I'm really like really think that if you have a certain intention behind what you're doing that can make a difference too.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

So I I think hyperbarics could probably play a big part in the in the nervous system. But yeah it's always doing the right dosage though like and a lot of people nowadays they do whatever they want. Yeah yeah I honestly don't even know I don't even know much about about hyperbaric and how it affects but yeah we use it a lot with our patients but we don't use you know and then we use it up to two atmospheres where you know for a lot of the neural stuff you want to use much lower atmospheres. You know especially post-concussive and stuff like that. Yeah yeah that makes sense and are you treating a lot of post-concussive patients?

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah yeah a cool um thing again with it being the gentle touch with network spinal we don't have like contracations that some other traditional kairos may have um because we're not doing like a twist and thrust into a space so people who have had head injuries whether post-concussive or like whiplash anything that's very specific to that upper cervical spine this is actually a technique that's very very integrated with people's systems a little bit better than than maybe some traditional Cairo experiences just because it's a gentler approach overall it's kind of like invites the body to soften a little bit more as opposed to defend so it can be really helpful with people who have previous injury.

SPEAKER_03 32:44

And you

Hormones And Thermal Scan Patterns

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were talking about hormones a little bit and let's hit on that how does you know this stress or like being able to de-stress these patients that that change their hormone levels function.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Just going back to with nervous system being the controller of all other systems within the body one of those namely being the hormones and and how they spike each day and what shows up with women when it shows up in their cycle like how the hormones shift and change overall that's all controlled by nervous system. So if we're addressing and releasing and removing interference at nervous system level it can help shift how hormones are showing up within the body. With the scans we do with the thermal scan um it shows where there's actual tension at the spinal cord level. And typically we see with people who are dealing with some hormonal issues or changes, they have a lot of stress lower in the spine like lower back like sacral region just because those nerve roots are associated with where the hormones are kind of happening. So that's something we we see a lot of people with the the thermal scan what's it based off of like do you know what it's be like how are they scanning or yeah so it's just a um it's just a handheld tool and it has wheels and you start at the base of the spine and you roll up to the top and a point behind each ear. So with it being thermal it's basically measuring heat. So if you think about tension tension will show up with inflammation and heat pattern. So with it measuring where the heat patterns are kind of showing up it can and can show what spinal levels have that tension pattern or that inflammation in that area.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Okay. And then once you have them mapped out is that are you mapping them out like every time they pretty much come in to see what needs to be treated or you know you're trying to fix one area in multiple sessions and then go back to the scan and see if there's other areas to deal with?

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Yeah so that's a good question. We we do scans periodically but I'm not scanning someone every time they come in. So like if there's a 50 visit care plan, we'll say we scan like about three times within the 50 visits just after X amount of visits each time just to see how the things are moving and shifting. But the way we kind of feel and measure what we're going to do for the table session that day, there's a whole phasing protocol within Network Spinal that we use. So it's just collecting information. So with a practice member laying on the table we're feeling tension patterns between bony parts, muscles, fascia, anything that they're holding in the neck like I'm feeling and touching their spine to notice where they're holding things. I also move their foot around the Achilles tendon is actually like a little mini spinal cord. So when you're pulling it down and pulling it laterally to the side you can feel where it's catching and that can correlate with where there's tension in the spinal cord. And then I have people turn their heads different ways. It's all just like pointing to where on the spine we're going to make our contacts within the phasing system. So that's kind of how like we decide day what what we're gonna do a lot of that's more based on you know your feel and then that's just supplemental where the thermal scan yes so the scanning is just used to see how with the multiple sessions with network spinal focusing on the nervous system healing how it is affecting the nervous system overall it's just the objective measure to to show that things are moving and shifting within the health of nervous system. And so if someone's been in like a car accident and it comes to you um I I guess that would be kind of traumatic itself just just like how bad the car accident is but um so how do you treat that part of it away from like their injuries or is there a difference between how how you're treating the different parts um not necessarily it still would be focused on just removing interference to nervous system no matter where that interference or tension came from. So it's still the same focus. Again though similarly to like people who have like specific head injuries and stuff like that with it being the gentlite touch after a post-traumatic event like something like a car accident that is something that's just integrated better with the system. So we approach different in the sense of like obviously we're using a gentler touch and technique but not necessarily like how we're going to address their care overall. It would still be just focused on nervous system

Creating A Healing Sanctuary Space

SPEAKER_01 37:35

care.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

So what does higher ground mean?

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Yeah so when I was in chiropractic school um and just feeling into I always knew I wanted to open my own practice right out of school. That was always my plan. I ended up opening I graduated in March of 23 and opened in August of that year. Higher ground was just something that came to me in a meditation I did I think I want to say the year before it was like in a lion's gate like 8-8 portal like meditation thing and I went in with the intention of like wanting to feel into my practice and like what that would look like when I opened the following year. And higher ground came through and healing sanctuary came through later on in the meditation. They came in separate but labeling it as a healing sanctuary as opposed to like chiropractic medical rehab joint like I just I just like I think it's a higher energetic that surrounds it. And that's we just want a higher energetic surrounding the space because that is where people are being vulnerable really healing and moving through big experience shift and change. So having that sanctuary and just like the energy behind it was important. So I think overall higher ground healing sanctuary just has a high vibration and that's just what we want to provide in the space we have.

SPEAKER_03 38:57

And are there any you know supplementation or anything that you recommend for patients?

SPEAKER_01 39:03

You don't have to be specific but yeah I was gonna say it just kind of depends um sometimes not anything like specific like specific brand and things per se. But if I have someone who's like dealing with lots of inflammation in the body always like turmeric like there's lots of like herbs and and different supplementations that I do recommend depending on the ailments or things they're kind of moving through but not necessarily anything specific.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Okay. Yeah that's I there there's so many natural products that you could use to just um you know deal with inflammation and also like I I think having a good GI map of knowing what your gut like reacts to and stuff is makes a big difference. It's a huge difference. Yeah absolutely um and then you know we we see more GLP ones like do you has GLP ones affected like some of your treatments or anything like that. Do you

GLP-1s As A Nervous System Stressor

SPEAKER_03 40:00

see it?

SPEAKER_01 40:00

I I know it's kind of like way out there but yeah I mean it's it's obviously a very big thing right now. It's like popping up everywhere for for lots of people. The way that I kind of talk through it with practice members is kind of going back to those things that affect our nervous system like our three T's uh GLP1s is technically a chemical toxin. Yeah. So it would affect how your nervous system is kind of experiencing life. So that's how I kind of present it to people. Again I'm not gonna be someone who's like you have to do it this way and this and this is how it should be but I will give you this fact and the fact is it is a chemical stress to the body. So if that is something that you're okay with with implementing then you are yeah but if if you're not then now you know have more awareness around the fact that it is a chemical stressor and it can create shift and change within the nervous system.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Okay. Yeah because yeah people come in you know part of it you know it could be anti-inflammatory but there are shifts in your nervous system that it definitely like creates you that's why you don't want to eat as much but also people you know there's people that lose hair also with losing excessive amounts of um fat also comes like the loose skin and where people you know like that just becomes a constant thing in their head that also bothers them. So there are other and it also you know like there's people that talk about decreased sex drive and like just not liking to do anything anymore once you've been on it for I've been on it for a while I still but I supplement with a lot a lot of other stuff too. So I don't think I feel that effect as much but like there are people that you know they don't enjoy a lot of the things that they used to do. So it becomes like this downward spiral Yeah yeah it's very interesting. You know your your weight could be right but the rest of you know like we're what we're trying to treat isn't so yeah I think that's that's something that will probably start to pop up a little bit more as people continue to be on it for long periods of time.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

And the thing is we don't ever know.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

Yeah we don't ever know so just seeing yeah I I think part of it's also you know like with big pharma they can play the books and create propaganda where they need to to because I I think for a while when there was a shortage you heard all these like horrible stories but they're making so much money now off of it with be being off the shortage list and it doesn't you know they they crack down on the compound pharmacies that are selling it cheaper but still they're making so much money that whatever comes in as malpractice on their part they don't really care because they're making trillions of dollars off the this one medication. But like when there was a shortage and they couldn't get it out fast enough and they were still making tons of money but they they kept on putting out like these like suicides and like this depression and all this stuff. You heard more about it but then it just gets shoved under the table once they got you know their stuff back naturally so yeah tends to happen. So yeah so you're like all right how much you know that's that's where you know like even with the FDA you're like some people are like I'm a physician like I'm gonna follow the FDA I'm like but just read in the science and like you know see the evidence and see w what's good to be used, what's not gonna function, what's not gonna be following truth. Yeah. The thing is overall I I think it it is making well a good amount of people health where they need to be because we we have a big issue with obesity and um diabetes and stuff. So I I think in that realm it it's helping, but where we're gonna get with this is i i it's probably gonna slippery slope major issues um once we find like uh long term effects of what this can do. Right. Right. So um I'm just like uh where are you gonna find a place to inject? Like if you're injecting for that long. So I don't know. It's small, small amounts, but uh never

Rapid Fire Questions And Wrap

SPEAKER_03 44:28

know. We don't have too much time left, but we have uh we like to do like quick uh takes so where we ask you some quick hit questions and get your response to them. They're not okay overly tough and respond the way you want. That's not uh so uh are you a morning person or night owl?

SPEAKER_01 44:54

I want to say neither. I hate being up in the morning, I will do it. Um, but also I go to bed at like 8 39 o'clock every night.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

So good answer. You're not up at 3 a.m. going to working out. Shooting Instagram videos, uh coffee or tea?

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Love both, but I drink coffee more.

unknown 45:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:17

Favorite way to regulate your nervous system.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

Network spinal care.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

What's one health myth that you wish would disappear?

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Oh. I don't know. That's a tough one.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

Yeah. There's a lot of them.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

I was gonna say there's a lot, and my brain can't think of one right now.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

Roundups good for your plants. I think that's the best one. Uh one habit every woman over 50 should start tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

Ooh. Um, regulating or tapping into what stress levels look like for them.

SPEAKER_03 45:58

I think that's huge because like I I don't know. I look at like my wife, my in-laws, every or even your mom, they just stress about everything.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:09

Where guys are like whatever. So yeah, that's that's definitely a big thing. Um, most underrated wellness practice.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

Breathing.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

I think that's huge, and people don't understand it until you really get it. Yeah. Like, especially like I don't know, for a surgeon, it's like I'm under the microscope, and you just, you know, step back, you do a few breathing exercises, calm yourself. And like I'm usually pretty calm anyways, but yeah, if anything like gets hard, I'm like, it's the easy thing to go to. But yeah, you gotta know you can do it.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

I was gonna say, I feel like most of us go throughout our whole day and not even taking like one deep breath. Yeah. It's like we forget that that's a tool that we have for sure.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

I know sometimes you're like, you know, when life gets busy, you almost don't you're like, I don't think I can breathe that deep. And it's four seconds. You can definitely breathe.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

Yeah, it's like an autopilot response to just have the shallow breath all day long just to keep me alive.

SPEAKER_03 47:15

Uh biggest misconception about chiropractic.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Oh, good one. That it's just about back pain when it's actually about removing interference to nervous system.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Which is your practice, which uh it's a huge separation from a lot of the other stuff. What does healing mean to you in one sentence?

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 47:40

There's a lot of questions on this one. They're hard ones.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

Um Healing means to me having a clear, connected, and conscious nervous system to feel all ranges of the human experience.

SPEAKER_03 47:57

Book that changed your life.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Becoming Supernatural, Joe Dispenza.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

I'll have to look that up. What's that about?

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Um, it's kind of like he has multiple books, uh, but Becoming Supernatural, the reason why I liked it so much is because it has a blend of science, a ton of science, research, but also a lot of spirit with like meditation practices, um, how you can retrain or break the habit of being yourself type of vibe. Okay. It's a good read.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Yeah, because I I've heard of the name. Um and I think I heard of the book. I haven't looked at it yet. Uh, what's your favorite way to decom decompress?

SPEAKER_01 48:37

Probably to read.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

One word you hope people feel after visiting your practice.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

Probably abundant.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

Fill in the blank.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

The healthiest version of yourself is someone who someone who is connected to their body, has awareness of the human experience, and lives a clear conscious life.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 49:03

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

Thank you.