PRO BODYBUILDER EXPOSES WHAT THE PEPTIDE AND STEROID INDUSTRY WON'T TELL YOU

Meet Gabe And The Natty Ethos

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Okay, so Gabe, why don't you introduce yourself?

Why Peptides Feel Too Risky

SPEAKER_00 0:22

All right, what's up, guys? I am Gabe McKenny, Natural Pro Bodybuilder, founder and owner of Team Peak Natty. I'm 21 years old, and I'm known on social media for promoting staying natural, being a bodybuilding and lifestyle coach for men, women, really anybody natural. I have a lot of clients. I put quite a few of them on stage, but you know, plenty of them are uh, you know, just people trying to take the gym serious as well. And then uh I also, you know, just post about health, fitness, education, um, and really, you know, anti-PEDs, anti-steroids, anti-peptides, things of that nature.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Okay. Is there something something in particular you have against peptides?

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Yeah, we can get into that. Um, so there's a lot to talk about there. So people just promote peptides and talk about, you know, all the good things that they do, which is true, right? There's a lot of promising ones, a lot of ones that, you know, may help a ton of people in the future, specifically stuff like BPC 157, TB500. But right now, they are so unregulated, it is not safe to put these things in your body. So they all come from China. I don't care if it says it's USA made, they all come from China so that they don't have to be regulated in the same way that they come from the US. A lot of um peptide companies are starting to say, you know, made in the USA now. Um, the way they're able to get away with saying that is they repackage them in the USA. Um, as you might know, a lot of places do that. So, like clothing companies, um, you know, supplement companies, they'll make it in China and then they'll repackage it in the USA and ship it out of warehouses in the USA and they say made in the USA. Um, but here's the problem. So they have tested uh and done independent studies on multiple of these peptides, and things like BPC 157 have come back with lead in them. Um, things like CJC have come back with 30% of the dose. Uh things like retitrutide have come back with, you know, other things in them, like heavy metals. And so the thing about injecting these things is A, if you get one of these vials and you're injecting stuff into your body that is not these peptides, um, like you can run into serious side effects. Oh, yeah. Uh, like your immune system shutting down. I've seen a ton of digestive issues with peptides. One compton, one common symptom I've seen is people's resting heart rate shooting up through the roof. Oh, really? Especially with uh retruitide, the one that people are obsessed with recently. And uh regardless of the fact that you could be injecting heavy metals into your body and this stuff isn't 100% pure. Um, who knows what else could be in it? There's also the fact that different people have different responses to things, and your immune system could recognize these peptides, even if they are 100% pure. This is saying that, you know, you got lab grade stuff, this is good quality stuff. You can still have a reaction to them that somebody else wouldn't have, um, you know, due to your immune system and your body recognizing it as oh my gosh, like this isn't this isn't something, this isn't like testosterone. My body already makes testosterone. If you're injecting it, okay, your natural production shuts down. But really, you know, in in the normal doses, you're fine. TRT is great, I think, for older men that need it. Um, not teenagers though.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

But yeah, and and you can have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Well, they can get it, they develop man boobs, then they come to me for surgery for that. Yeah, so I'll promote it.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

And so it's just wild that people are so quick to inject things into their body that they don't need. When you just, you know, actually go to the gym, actually follow a calorie deficit, actually eat healthy instead of you know just spamming your body with peptides, you can achieve um these things risk-free.

From School Sports To Pro Card

SPEAKER_01 4:19

Yeah, so so the stuff we give in our clinic, um, we use local uh compound pharmacies that test all their stuff and it's made locally, but it ends up being like people will be like, well, I can get something at my gym for like half the cost or a quarter of the cost. Like, you can, but uh we we can tell you that this this pharmacy is US regulated, so they can't put those things in, and what they tell you they're giving you, they they who knows, they might be off, but to a certain degree. How how did you get into this? Sorry, we like just we took a B rail off the start.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

It's a good hook, Pepsi. And I and I just pep too good topic right now. Yeah, how did I get into this? Uh, so I was just a normal gym bro for a while, right? Uh loved lifting in high school for high school sports. I played football, I wrestled, and I ran track. Uh, we were Arizona State Champs for football my senior year. Where'd you go? Um, Arizona Lutheran Academy in LA. And then we I was second in Arizona for wrestling. I lost class 175.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

I lost to a four-timer, so I wasn't mad. Um, and then we were like runners up in track as well, so that was cool. But it's got a pretty through those sports, like I still made time to you know hit the LA fitness, you know, all the time, every single weekend, uh, because I just truly loved it. And then I ended up playing lacrosse in college at GCU.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

I didn't play in high school, but I just walked on at GCU. You picked it up, yeah. I just picked it up. Um, I wasn't very good, but you know, I just wanted to be part of the team. And the whole time playing, I just all I cared about was just lifting and like bodybuilding without bodybuilding, basically, just taking the gym serious. And then um, whenever I quit playing lacrosse my sophomore year, I was like, man, I'm doing everything bodybuilders are already doing. Like, I might as well hop into a show. And you know, I had social media is great for inspiring people, and I was inspired by other creators to compete. And so I ended up competing and running a show, and I went pro in the natural league for a show. Started posting actually after I competed and you know, gained some followers on social media, and then I decided to go all in on monetizing it through through fitness coaching, yeah, and you know, not use my criminal justice degree and you know, pursue a normal job. So I was able to monetize that. Yeah, I was able to monetize that and and work from my phone and computer and um you know, doing that. I work for myself, I build my own schedule. So guess what happens when I get to do that? I get to prioritize the gym and be a full-time bodybuilder while, you know, working for myself as well. Uh so then I ended up um doing a big prep, like got the most peeled I've ever been in my life, you know, experienced every side effect that you get from getting two single-digit body fat, um, you know, uh crashing hormones, everything of that nature, all that stuff that happens as a natural. And I ran two shows. Uh, one of them I took second overall and then third in a different division. And then I went to San Diego, ran a second show, and I took uh second and third again. Um, but it was a really good season, got a lot of content out of it, you know, grew my grew my following and I put a few people on stage while I was in prep. You know, I worked with like a lot of more lifestyle clients. And then after that show ended, I just you know went all in. Like I started going way harder, right? Because when your attention is so long ago was that?

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Because you're this only like so this this can't be that many. This is like last last November.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

This is like last November. I've I've my business has basically exploded over the last three months. Nice, you know. I'm I'm still pretty new to this, but yeah. So uh yeah, after after those shows, uh, you know, less attention on competing, on bodybuilding, on having to do all this cardio and be hungry all day, right? I get to go all in on the business and you know, just started getting elite results because I've invested so much into myself knowledge-wise, whether it be podcasts, oh yeah, while while I was prepping for months, you know, every single day, just listening to podcasts and podcasts while I do my cardio, yeah. Um, reading stuff online, YouTube videos, you know, information from reputable sources on social media. Um, but the main ways I've got my knowledge is I have paid for a mentorship from another good coach out here in Arizona uh called Brady Oaky. Shout out him and his company is called Take Uncommon Action. Okay. So I took like his mentorship, you know, to learn more about coaching and be a good coach. And then I also took J3 University, um, which is by this bodybuilder called John Jewitt, super reputable guy in the fitness industry. And he basically released this course type of thing to educate um, you know, the next generation of science-based coaches. So he's a really good guy.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Are they both natural-based too?

Learning To Coach The Right Way

SPEAKER_00 9:17

No, he's not natural. No, he's uh he's like actually one of the top enhanced bodybuilders in the world. So I with that J3 University, I got to learn a lot about steroids and stuff like that, as well as you know, normal, non-steroid-related bodybuilding stuff. Um, and then I also mentored under this uh coach who coaches you know enhanced guys as well, um, named Derek Noble and his company, Noble Bodybuilding. And then, you know, using all those mentorships, all the information I gathered, the rest just really comes from my own self-experience. Um, my my bodybuilding coach, AJ Morris, who's uh a natural, like one of the top natural coaches in the world, and then um client experience, right? The more guys you put on stage, yeah, uh, the more people you help lose weight, the more people you help build muscle, um, word of mouth, you know, the more experience you gain. And then yeah, really just you know, I've I've walked the the talk with the three shows I've done, gained a lot of experience, right? I I dieted for like almost seven months. I went from like 230 at the end of my bulk to like 192 was my lowest weight. Um, so yeah, lots of self-experience. Um, and now one that 192 is for the weigh-in. No, there's no weigh-in for for well, there's like a weight cap, but that was just like my all-time low.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Did you have a goal? Was that your goal?

SPEAKER_00 10:39

No, I don't. It's just like it's about the look, you know, it's not about the certain weight. I tell this to a lot of lifestyle clients. Like, sometimes guys will be so worried about their weight, you know, they want to get to a certain weight. I'm like, stop worrying about the weight, it's an arbitrary number, it doesn't mean anything, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:52

It's more body composition.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

It's about your body composition, it's about how you feel, it's how you're performing in the gym. So yeah. How tall are you? Six foot.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Okay. So I got some work to do. No, the um do you feel do you see any differences between uh what you're doing in the power lifters? I know they have certain they focus on squats.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Yeah, squat bench deadlift. Yeah, yeah, bodybuilding's way harder. So power lifters, they get to eat whatever they want and they just they get injured all the time. Bodybuilding's harder, it's better, you're tougher, and you look good.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

And get injured less? Yeah, but powerlifters, it's not it's not um if you get injured, it's when you get injured.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Yeah, I I I mean, even like random people doing stuff and they're like, oh, I just got into this. Yeah, I'm like I stopped doing cleans because my wrist just started hurting all the time. It was helping, it was helping with wrestling. I wrestled growing up, but I I really like doing cleans and it's just like, oh, my wrist just cracks all the time right now. I got shoulder problems now, so I stopped doing some of that stuff, but I was never like into it. I always lifted, but was never into like bodybuilding.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Yeah, it's fun. Like, obviously, I think everybody should have some type of fitness in their life for what it does, obviously for the health reasons, but mentally, man. Like when you start your day off with, you know, movement, it just makes your rest of your day so much better. Um, if you have like physical goals that you're working towards, it's gonna that discipline's gonna spill over into every area of your life, mentally, your work, um, and everything of that nature. So I think all fitness is good fitness. You know, my dad is like a cyclist, my mom runs. I that's that's all cool. Like, you know, once I retire from bodybuilding, maybe I'll rip like the new thing is like high rocks. Um, maybe I'll I'll rip like an Iron Man or something like that. No, don't do Iron Man, dude.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Don't do Iron Man.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

You do like a lot of plastic surgeon for surgery for Iron Man or what?

SPEAKER_01 13:03

No, it's just it's not good for your body. Yeah, it it's it it breaks down your kidneys, like marathon running, Iron Man, ultra marathons. I'm just like uh you're kind of proving a point, but it's it's not good on your body overall, like joints, organs, it's just I don't know. Unless you're in a Kenyan village, then you just get like really good at marathon running. So are you still an undergrad? Are you still at GCU? No, I graduated. Okay, wait, you're 21? Mm-hmm. I graduated in three years. Okay. Yeah. I graduated in six.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Yeah. Graduated in three years, don't use the lick of my criminal justice education. And now I am a full-time bodybuilding coach.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Yeah, you're having fun, right? Yeah, it's awesome. Makes you that much better at it is because you're having fun.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah, it's it's been great. Really, like I don't do any outreach, I don't do any, you know, cold DMs, I don't have a team. All my clients come through organically purely because of my results. Like results speak for themselves. You can't deny public proof. And yeah, you know, people come to me when they want to get on stage and and come in lights out or when they need to lose weight. And um, I'm proud of the service I offer and and I love working one-on-one with people because you get really close with them. And most of my clients stay with me year round uh if they have the finances to do so. And like it's it's honestly my dream job and exactly where I think God wants me to be.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Nice. What's your personal like regimen workout-wise?

Training Split And Recovery Basics

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Oh, yeah. Um, so I'm on push-pull legs, rest, upper, lower. So I lift five days a week, right? Natural or enhanced, you're not growing in the gym, you're stimulating muscle growth in the gym. So rest is very important um for the CNS as well, right? You know, heavy load in the gym, you your CNS fatigue will build up. And so if you don't have, you know, one to two days off during the week, um, you will start to see signs of fatigue buildup. And so, yeah, it's important to have rest days not only to grow and and recover from the gym, but also for your nervous system, which is your CNS. Um, so I do push pull legs, rest upper, lower, and then you know, I competed last year. So these next couple of years, I'm just focused on business and coaching, and then which means growing, right? I'm not dieting. If you're always dieting, you can't grow. So I am bulking, and um, my current training day macros are 3,200 calories, I think like 405 carb, 230 protein, and 65 fat.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

And then one hour of cardio a week on the bulk. So I usually do like three 20 minute sessions.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

It's the most boring thing in the world.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

It's it's fun when you have carbs in you and you have energy on the bulk, but yeah, cardio sucks on the cut.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

I I was never a fan cardio sucks when you have no energy. I did double sessions for wrestling and then like cutting weight sometimes, but like they I built up to like two miles swimming because I was just like, at least if I'm in the pool, like I gotta keep my head above the water to stay alive. But like if you're on a bike or treadmill or something, I only do the stairs. Stairs, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

The stairs were just gotta cover the time.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

Yeah, the stairs were most calorie spent and easiest like weight maintenance I noticed. Um do you ever so you don't cut weight for any of the um so it just depends what league you do.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

So most of the natural leagues, the leagues my clients compete in, there's no weight cap. But in the enhanced league, the NPC, and then there's like a natural side to it too, which I actually compete in now. There is a weight cap for my division, and that just means like you can't be over that weight. I'm not even close to it, right? You know, um, but some of the enhanced guys that are like 250 lean, uh, they will have to like water cut in order, like wrestling in order to make the weight cap the day before, and then they'll rehydrate and carb up uh for the show the next day.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yeah, but so just the weigh-ins are usually the day before.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

The weigh-ins the day before on check-in, yeah. Okay, and then it's tied to your height. So like I think for six foot, okay. I think in the amateur leagues for for my height for six foot, I can be up to like 208 on stage. So I'm 16 pounds off that, which is you know, a lot of muscle. Yeah, so so they don't naturally like I probably won't get there.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

It's actually pretty pretty good, like because you know, for for wrestling, it is just like you have your weight classes. So you have people, even like the college I went to the year before I got there, uh a kid probably passed away.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

Like um, and he was like wrestled for like eight, nine years, and it was just like maybe too much uh like caffeine and too much cutting weight. So we had like a bunch of tests they would do for body weight, not uh body fat percentage and stuff, and they didn't have the fancy scales back then, so it's like the skin pinch, and then you do that before the season, and they're like, Well, they still do that.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

I remember doing that in high school. Yeah, you have to do that, and you have to pee in a cup to show you're hydrated, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Yeah, it's uh everybody feels that at least one time. You just go in and piss out like IPA and it's it's like no, we can't we can't accept that. But but it's good they do because like establishing weight classes is to put like similar size people with each other, and then you just get to people like sucking so much to be like, oh, I'm gonna get be better if I'm like at this lower weight class.

High Carb Nutrition And Simple Foods

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Yeah, and bodybuilding, if you suck down too hard, you won't be able to fill out and you'll just lose your you'll lose your pop. You know what I mean? There's a balance between you know carving up enough and being full and lean, and you know, you're always gonna be your your leanest and your most shredded when you're like flat, but you want to bring it up a little bit, you know, and sacrifice, you know, maybe some small lines in order for that pop, right? That fullness that comes with carbohydrates and water.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Um so diet-wise, you said you're about 3,500 calories a day.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

32.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

32. Yeah. So what's your let's go through typical?

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Back in the day, I would uh back in the day I could I could gain weight on like 3,500 cal or more, and I could like diet, you know, on on like 3,000 calories. But after you do a show, you know, as a natural, your thyroid gets a little shot. Yeah, so my maintenance is still, you know, kind of lower than it used to be.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Yeah, I um I was a slow 184, so I was like, oh, I'll just gain some weight and be a fast heavyweight. And over two months I put on about like 40 to 45 pounds in like two months, no supplements, just eating. I started off with like just my breakfast was like three to four eggs, and I'm like, I just gotta work at this like every day. And by the end of those two months, uh for breakfast, I was having a dozen eggs. These these were all raw. Dozen eggs, a pound of pasta, and like two to four cans of tuna. And then had a huge lunch and dinner, and I had snack in between. I was like full, but like ever since I didn't did that, it it threw my metabolism completely off. Like, I can't prior to then I can just eat normal and I'll weigh like I'll be really skinny after that. I'm like, oh what what did I do? Like now I gotta go work out and stuff. Uh what's your typical breakfast?

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Uh just like sourdough and eggs, honestly. Sourdough and eggs, um, red meat and rice. You know, everybody asks, you know, guys that are are shredded what they eat, but it's like everyone knows it's just meat and rice, sourdough, eggs, Greek yogurt, fruit, vegetables. Um, so typically right now in the off season, right, enjoying a little bit more food uh than normal. Just eggs and sourdough, um, some ground beef and rice, ground beef and potatoes.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

You know, it doesn't have the same glycemic index.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah, well, two, it's fermented, so it doesn't bloat you like normal bread. So sourdough is method. Um, tastes delicious. One of my favorite things in the world is avocado toast. So I'll I'll do that with the sourdough. Um, but yeah, just ground beef and rice, uh, salmon for the omega 3s and rice, salmon and potatoes, ground beef and potatoes, uh just white jasmine rice. Okay. Put some turmeric in it, make it yellow for the dopamine.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Gotcha. Yeah, I wouldn't expect rice. You always hear like low carb. Oh, high carb.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

So, yeah. So, bodybuilding, um, if you want the best body composition, you're gonna want to do high carb, high protein, and then your minimum amounts of healthy fat. So it's gonna look to be about, you know, 20 to 25% of your caloric intake to be fats. Um, and then, you know, whatever your body weight, maybe a little bit more in protein, and then you fill the rest with carbs. Carbs are key. Uh, so many people don't know that, but um, carbs are our body's primary source of energy, and you will feel amazing in the gym when you are properly filled with carbs.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Do you never did you ever do the uh uh blood sugar monitoring?

SPEAKER_00 22:42

No, I don't. I want to though. Um, so when you're lean, you're pretty insulin sensitive. So your blood sugar doesn't like you know spike in an insane way, and you know, your body's pretty good at shuttling those carbohydrates as glycogen to your muscles. But um, when you are overweight and kind of out of shape, your body digests carbohydrates differently due to you know some not being as insulin sensitive. And um, you know, so it can be important to monitor your blood sugar because a lot of times people eat carbs and get tired, right? That's a bad sign if you guys are eating carbs and and crashing right after. That could mean you're you're insulin resistant, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Insulin resistant or or you're eating shitty carbs.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Yeah. Um, what else? I'll run you through it all. So it's just like ground beef and rice. I don't do a lot of oh, this is a good topic. I don't do a lot of chicken anymore. Um ran chicken for almost every meal on prep. So I found out that most chicken in the US, a is terrible quality, right? You've seen like the commercial farms. I don't care about that, but what I do care about is it's pretty much all soaked in bleach water. Do you know that on the chicken packages it says like up to 5% retained water or like up to 6%, 8% that retained water like in there is bleach water. And so, unless you're getting air-chilled chicken, which they or like local pasteurized chicken, which they only sell at Whole Foods, they don't even sell that at sprouts anymore. Your chicken is soaked in bleach water. So I said, miss me with that. I found a low-fat salmon to to replace as my lean meats, which is amazing anyway, because it has omega-3s that most people do not get enough of. And so my leaner meat is this salmon that has like two grams of fat per four ounces. And then my fattier meat is uh 93-7 ground beef. And then I just alternate those, eat those with either rice, potatoes, or sweet potatoes, and then maybe some Greek yogurt and frozen fruit at night, and that's my food every single day. Maybe some uh some protein oatmeal if I'm if I'm on the go, right? Oats, and then you just mix protein powder into it. But yeah, those are my those are my like four staples. I switch it up all the time. I don't eat the same things every day. How do I switch it up? I just rotate potato, sweet potato, and rice or sourdough.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Yeah, anything special with the potatoes?

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Um, I just make sure you you wash them. Okay. I'll wash them and uh like put baking soda in there. That'll that'll get a lot of germs and dirt off. Um, you could do apple cider vinegar as well. You just put them in a bowl filled up with water, let them soak with the baking soda in there for a second. It also makes them more crispy when you cook them in the air fryer. And so you get crispiness and you get you know the dirt and pesticides off your potatoes.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Use any oils?

Food Quality, Seed Oils, Cooking Habits

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Uh yeah, I do. You know about seed oils, right? Yeah, I try to avoid seed oils, but they're not the end of the world. When they they're they're the worst for you when they're fried, right? And they're heated up. Yeah, high heat. Yeah, high temps and they oxidize. Um, that's pretty bad for you. So I have free meals, obviously. Like, I'm not dieting, like I'm not bodybuilders, like, yeah, we're on diet, but we don't live in a box. Like today, I was with someone and we went out to eat. You know, I'm like, we I still go to restaurants, you know, once or twice a week. Um, but then when I'm at home, right? I stay on diet. When you can control it, you stay on diet. When you're out and about in in in your bulking, like, you know, it's you don't have to bring meal prep with you unless you're, you know, prepping for a show. Um, so I will go off diet, but when I do, the point is I tr really try to avoid fried food because everything is fried in in high temp seed oils. Um, if seed oils are normal temperature, you know, moderation, it's gonna be fine. But at home I cook with avocado oil.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Avocado oil is your choice.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Yeah, or I've cooked with uh ghee in the past. It's pretty good, pretty good for steaks.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Yeah, it tastes great. Uh I I personally like uh high-end like olive oil.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

It's okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

But it's it's mostly for like what I've been cooking in, like the flavor profile.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

So what type of food do you cook up?

SPEAKER_01 26:48

I cook up all random stuff. Um, I do most of the cooking in the house, even though my wife will deny that. But um Sundays I try to make a few meals so that way we can heat it up during the week. Um, I Nelson's seafood uh they're pricey, but they have the freshest seafood in the desert. Um I've had Buck and Rider. Buck and Rider's pretty fresh. I so that that's for the restaurant. Nelson's is like stuff I want to cook. Okay. If I want to go out and eat, Buck and Rider is my spot. Yeah. Okay. Uh I love oysters and they they have the best ones.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

What's your best? What's the best sushi spot? Because I love sushi. I went to sushi after my show. What's the best sushi spot in Lake Scotland?

SPEAKER_01 27:34

I don't have a honestly. I've been to a lot, but my my favorite seriously is if you get the tray at Nelson's, because it's a fish mort, so you're not paying like for the ambiance where all these like Japanese steakhouses are going for, and you get this like just monster tray that that like it's bigger than anything, you can order anywhere, and it's very good. Um, cowboy in old town had really good food too. That that that's strictly restaurant. If if you're just gonna get food and eat by yourself, like always go to Nelson's.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Okay, yeah, yeah. No, I would okay. I tell this to my clients, but if you go out to a restaurant and like cheat on your diet, like have a free meal by yourself, you're fat. You're just fat. Like, you gotta go with your family, your significant other, a friend, you know, for a special occasion. If you're cheating on your diet by yourself, you're just fat. Like every I will, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

That's that's right. If you go in the casino alone, you're a degenerate.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

But if you're with friends, it's fun, it's a good time, you know. Memories over memories over um, you know, calories sometimes in moderation, and you know, it don't it only adds to your life. But if you're you know, a lot of people do struggle with with food addiction because of how hyper palatable processed food is. And um, you know, once you start eating clean, once you start eating these delicious whole foods and you learn how to season and cook them, you realize how amazing you feel and you crave those foods instead. So it can be a learning process and it can be hard at first if you're getting into eating healthy and getting into fitness, but it always pays off and your cravings will change once you fix your gut health.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

So these foods are have been designed, genetically designed, because they become more addictive to eat. Like what that's the American diet, like that's all you're surrounded with. And that's why GLP ones work really well because they cut off not only like they they slow down your GI uh tract, they they cut cravings. And that that's a huge thing. It's not like cravings just for food, like it's been shown for like alcohol, cocaine, tobacco. Like if you're trying to quit that with the GLP ones, they're statistically like way more successful. So that it it's it's just like what you're surrounded with and what you're willing to go through to give up certain things.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Yeah, I've I've seen that, especially with Rider True Tide really helping break addiction. But there has been a side effect popping up that comes with that fact that it helps you break addiction. How it does that is you don't get the same reward signaling from food. Um, and guess what happens when your reward signaling gets played with? It can start to affect your emotions and any type of like reward you get from relationships. So it's been causing people to like fall out of love with their partners, um, you know, messing up stuff with your dopamine and your reward signaling. And so also, you get you get less like dopamine and reward signaling when you eat like good food. I personally don't want that. I love the feeling of eating a good meal, like you know. Um, also it does slow down your gut motility. So if you don't eat clean on these GLP ones, GLP3s, your digestive system can get seriously messed up. You can get IBS, you can get all these digestive issues if you don't eat super, super clean on GLPs.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Yeah, because you'll mess up your whole microbiome. Like you mess up your gut microbiome, there's a lot of unstudied things related to that. Um and I'm pretty sure in the next five to ten years, we're gonna figure out a ton of things about that.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Also, for that reason, if you are a degenerate college kid and you like to take red atrutide, um, you're a red-atrutard as I call them. You you can't like you cannot drink. It is so easy to get alcohol poisoning, like we just talked about, it slows down your gut motility. Guess what happens if alcohol enters your system and your gut motility is slowed down? It takes way longer to get rid of. That's how to get alcohol poisoning one-on-one.

GLP-1s, Cravings, And Dopamine Fallout

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Yeah, I might have shared on a previous uh episode, but um, the main way a lot of cafeterias and fast foods get away with the quality of food without get getting as much food poisoning. They put a ton of laxatives in your food. So the faster it goes through your system, the less you have a chance of that those bugs seeping in. Yeah, you found out out from one of our teammates, uh his name was Jose. Uh just like, Jose, what are you doing? He worked at the cafeteria, he was carrying five gallon jugs. And he's like, Oh, just taking the laxatives to the cafeteria. And we're like just cracking up laughing. We're like, no, seriously, what are you doing? He's like, No, this is how it works. We have to put the laxatives so the food goes through you. And we're like, Oh, that's why I get the shits every time I eat here. But it messes like there's benefits from that going fast safety through your system, but it's also destroying your your whole gut microbiome. Yeah, and that has a ton of like positive effects. When it comes to like cancer, like stroke risk, cardiac disease risks, like these are things that are probably gonna come out soon.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Yeah. Well, some some of them are out, and people like still think that the side effects aren't gonna happen to them. People are just so stupid these days, like they're willing to take these risks and they just think that they're invincible and it won't happen to them, and it's all fun and games until it does happen to them. You know, sometimes it is worth the risk, right? If you have a um a very overweight individual, three, four hundred pounds, is very worth taking, you know, the potential side effects of of GLP ones. Like they're not gonna die, most likely, right? They may run into some side effects, but it's it's worth what the positive benefits they can have with the weight loss of them, you know, losing their morbidly obese weight. But you know, people that don't need it, people that can do it completely naturally, it's like you know, you're it's all risk, all risk, no reward, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:11

Yeah, if if especially like people like DMI like 25 to 35, even like you should younger, your BMI is not that high. If if you're gonna just take it to think like, oh, this just I'll sprinkle that on, that those are the people that are gonna lose muscle mass, bone density mass, you're just gonna be unhealthy. You're pretty much starving yourself.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Yeah, I just had a client go from 250 to 150 completely naturally. Like it's completely doable. All you have to do is control what you want to put in your body. Like the thing about fitness, the thing about you know your physique, the thing about your body is you can change it. Like, there's if you just wake up one day and decide you want to lose weight, you can. There's there's nothing stopping you. And yeah, sure, like you know, peptides can, you know, boost it with some people, but at the end of the day, you still have to do the right things in order to lose the weight. Like, you can't just slap a band-aid on a bullet hole, and you can't just continue to live your horrible unhealthy lifestyle and expect some you know peptide to be the bandage.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Yeah, if you're it's gotta be the motivation because uh even uh with uh like when I did general surgery and training where they do the stomach switch or like flip your stomach or cut out a portion of your stomach to cut your appetite, and these are like just physically restrictive uh surgeries you have done. And they're invasive, they might be quick, but they're invasive. Um but there's over a 33% failure rate. So like you cut the stomach down, people eat through that. Like, give me a barrier. Like, if you're not motivated to like just maintain the healthy lifestyle, they gradually like push that stomach that used to be this big, now stapled, so it's this big, and then over time they just keep pushing that, pushing that, and it's uh ends up being the same size. So it's a a third, at least a third. That's the published data is uh around a third, like fail like gastric uh bariatric surgery.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

What's the most common type of plastic surgery you do now?

SPEAKER_01 36:28

Um we do a lot of breast reconstruction for cancer patients. Okay, um, it comes back to like the health and nutrition side. It seems like uh cancer I haven't seen the statistics lately, but it seems like cancer is showing up more often, especially in younger patients.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

People say it's seed oils. Yeah, it's it's something I think something huge that's overlooked a lot is like your water. Like a lot of people don't drink, you know, good quality filtered water. Yeah, um, a lot of people drink out of plastic water bottles every single day, just copious amounts of microplastics. Um, but also like a lot of people drink out of like Brittas and like poorly filtered water, you know, from the tap. And like, unless you're having reverse osmosis or or getting like spring water and glass bottles, you can really mess up a lot of your hormones, you know. Because yeah, think about how much water we drink and compared to like the food we eat.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

I've I've reduced this much. I I still drink out of some some some liquids out of a plastic bottle or something. But every time I like think about it like twice, like, oh, what am I doing? I'd rather go take two shots of tequila than drink this. The microplastics. Yeah, I I totally agree with you, and it's definitely like environmental stuff. Like, there's we notice we have a it's not a huge portion, but like asking people what they do for work like for breast cancer, there's like a a good portion of um geez, I want to say stewardess, but what's the appropriate word? Airline airline ladies. Airline ladies.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

That's the pretty flight attendants. The pretty airline ladies.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That help me when I'm struggling to put my luggage away. Um or kick me out of first class for drinking too much. The a lot of them end up with breast cancer, they're saying, because of the amount of time they spend away from like they they're not in the stratosphere, but the higher they are, the closer they are to the radiation from the sun. So that could potentially do it. And there's no like again, no statistics showing this, but I'm just saying my personal practice and like American Airlines, Southwest, like works for this airline, works for that airline.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

Have you seen the stuff about EMFs? Um like electromagnetic fields.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Some stuff. Yeah, I'm not too educated in it, but people are saying that that's pretty bad for you as well. Like, you know, whether it be driving a Tesla, whether it be your Wi-Fi, whether Oh, I wish Roose was here for this.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

He's he's he's read all about this. Yeah, whether it's I don't want a battery or in your pocket.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Yeah, yeah.

Steroids, TRT, Gyno, And Fertility Risks

SPEAKER_01 39:28

It makes perfect sense though. It's it's like, yeah, okay. What you're willing to give up. But yeah, the amount of patients we've I've had to take care of that have had breast cancer in their at first, it was like in their 30s, and then like last year, noticed a couple in their 20s. It's like, dude, that's that's really young to develop a cancer like that. Yeah, it's just not fitting in, unless you're from like some nuclear waste like Chernobyl type thing. But um outside of that, most common would be mommy makeovers, like either breast or tummy talks. And we're probably the busiest practice around here for gynecomastia. Yeah, so we do a ton a ton of gyno cases.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

You do some bodybuilders, yeah. Yeah, I figured, yeah. A lot of guys on gear. They get gyno, acne, fat, ugly faces, um, loss of fertility. Yeah. Uh yeah, someone I know on gear has been trying to get his wife pregnant for like the last two years, completely infertile, doing all the protocols. He's off cycle, off everything. Still can't get her pregnant after like because you know, he abused gear for like 10 years. So what do you call it? Gear? Yeah, like gear, steroids, PEDs, it's all you know, yeah, anabolics.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

There's this testosterone optimization, and there's like you were talkingbuilder cycles, yeah. The there's it's like going to like what we recommend actually for like men over 35, 40, 45, is you you probably want to boost that testosterone to the upper levels, but a lot of the people out of the gym and like doing unregulated stuff, you're going at like two, three, four times the X, what what that is.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

I know, like uh I know some some 20, 21-year-old kids that are you know taking a lot. And I think some some one of them showed me his blood work. He's ripping like 5,000 nanograms per declare. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. No, these guys they take a lot. Like open bodybuilders, like the guys that people think of when they think of bodybuilders, like the guys that are like 280 lean, those guys are taking like, you know, two, three, four grams a gear on a prep cycle.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

Holy shit. I didn't I didn't know it was that high.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

I knew it was high, but I mean for the audience, TRT is like 100 to like 150 uh milligrams a week. You know, these guys are taking like a gram of tests, so 10 times you know, a TRT dose sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

So it's like racehorse.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

It's like, and then yeah, it's like they wonder why they get side effects, man. Like it's never enough for them to, you know. Yeah, and then they have to like retire young with natural bodybuilding. I can compete into my 30s, man. Like, I can be in my up uh natural bodybuilding is a middle-aged man sport. I'll probably be in my prime when I'm like in my late 30s, right? Yeah, because so many more years of training, you know. Um, these these enhanced bodybuilders, they gotta quit the sport after like five, six, seven, maybe ten years at the max, in order to like, you know, save their health somewhat. So they're all done by like their late 20s, 30s. You know, for me, I'll I'm not gonna compete every year, but still keep competing into my 30s and you know, dominate the top of the game one day without having to have this like taking time bomb of my health where like I have to stop plasting gear, you know, grandma.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

That's kind of crazy because it like even most pro athletes, no matter what sport, unless you're a running back in the NFL, like to peek out and retire before 30, yeah, it's kind of ridiculous. Yeah. So it and there there's definitely been a more of a movement towards overall health and doing everything like well rather than when we were in like the steroid age of like baseball and stuff. Yeah. So so yeah, like Tom Brady playing really well after he's forty. It's like, okay, you gotta take care of yourself and and multiple athletes doing it. Even like somebody like Joe Flacco can go play pro. But it's just like Like have an expectation that like what you're doing that defines you, you're you can only do it till you're like 30.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

Yeah, yeah. No, that's the reality when you're abusing your health. But here's the thing a lot of their reasoning, like for a lot of them, their reasoning to going the enhanced route is for the love of the sport. They love the sport so much, they're willing to take the risk and you know, risk their health for it because they want to chase it at the highest level. You love the sport so much, but you gotta retire young, you know, you gotta quit early due to due to health reasons, whether it be underlying conditions that come up or it be, you know, you need to get to a normal dose of of testosterone instead of blasting all the time. And so, like, it's kind of you know a little hypocritical, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Yeah, and it's it's kind of like kind of selfish, yeah, too, you know. Like, how could you in your like best mind mindset tell somebody that's like just getting into it? Like, this is what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

Yeah, they just they always say the same thing. They say, you know, they're they love the sport and they're willing to risk their health and take the risk to compete at the highest level. They say they'll do it safely, yeah, get blood work, okay. Uh, that doesn't that doesn't stop anything. Um, and then they say that you know they're just like they're willing to take the risk, and it's like it's pretty selfish if you have a significant other. It's pretty selfish if your future wife one day wants to have kids and you go infertile. Like, obviously, there is protocols to not be an idiot with it, but like at the end of the day, uh like I always tell the the kids that I'm trying to, you know, convince to you know, not take the enhanced route. This like it's all fun and games until the side effects happen to you. Like, you think you're invincible, you think you're gonna do it safe, and you think you're not gonna get side effects until it happens.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

Yeah. And and then what when it happens, especially having kids, like that's why anybody that asks me under like 35, I'm like, I even with like the low dose, like it it might make you infertile for the rest of your life. So if you're thinking about having kids, like you shouldn't even mess around with it. Like this can shut down your reproductive reproductive stream, and that's kind of like just think of it as an evolutionary side effect, like just hold off at the very least.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

So you guys do plastic surgery and you have like a HRT clinic?

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Kind of like yeah, HRT wellness.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Okay, so we do you guys do like blood work and stuff?

Gray Market Access And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Yeah, yeah. We we start off with blood work, because like if if you start somebody, most most people are on like GLP, um, but like if their thyroid hormones are off or their testosterone is off, and then you didn't check for that, but the GLP isn't working, then you gotta like backtrack and it ends up costing them a lot more money. But so we we again our services cost more than like ordering something online, yeah. Of course, we do the proper testing and it's not it's not gray market, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Yeah, all these peptides like it's so easily accessible. You can know you can go online and go to 30 different websites and just order whatever peptide, yeah, or whatever SARM, or you know, even in some cases, order whatever steroids you want to your house these days, and uh you just have to reconstitute it with backwater, antibacterial water, and and inject it. And so people do it without any guidance, without any research. They just order it to their house and get to injecting.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

That's absolutely nuts. I still can't get it.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

I don't know how it's those sites are called gray market. The way they do it is they label it as not for human consumption, yeah. Or research use only. Research use only, yeah. That's how they label it. Yeah, yep. Some of them get shut down though. They does supposingly they're they're trying to crack down.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Start, but we'll we'll find out. Yeah. Well, thanks so much for stopping by the house.