The Psychology Behind In Law Conflict

Meet Victoria And The Breaking Point

SPEAKER_04 0:19

All right. So you you want to start with an introduction?

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 0:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

How do you want me to introduce myself?

SPEAKER_04 0:27

What would you like me? What would you like to know? Victoria, name profession. How you got into what you're doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Yeah. Okay. So my name is Victoria.

SPEAKER_04 0:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Um, my profession, uh, I call myself a ceremonial healer. Uh, but you know, I'm a little woo, a little science. Um, I got into my profession, actually, just had this conversation um because I had a huge rupture with me and my mother-in-law. And I was like thrown into uh, I don't know, emotional chaos, I would call it. Um, and then I spent three years in therapy trying to understand more, which made me like more rageful um because nothing actually changed the way that I related or the way that I felt. Yeah. Um, and then my husband basically gave me an ultimatum and I found the modality that I practice now.

SPEAKER_05 1:15

So, what happened with your mother-in-law? That's a big question. I wanted to know because like I think everyone wants to know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

This is kind of a pretty common. I'll back up a little bit. So my childhood.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

We have a magic cure for liking your mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah, this will this will solve all your mother-in-law issues.

SPEAKER_04 1:33

Um, my sound better than the Bible.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Right? I should just call myself the mother-in-law healer. Um we actually, so we have a great relationship now, which I'm super grateful for. And I really truly believe that she is like the catalyst of my purpose.

SPEAKER_03 1:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Um, and you know, if you would have told me that at the time, I would have been like, you fucking liar. Um, but essentially, I come from a family where my um my aunt, my grandparents would not see my dad. Yeah. And it was very separate. And so holidays and birthdays and everything was very separate from my dad and then what we did with my mom's side of the family.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Yeah.

The Mother-In-Law Conflict That Sparked Change

SPEAKER_00 2:10

And when I grew up, I was not gonna have that, right? Because we don't want to repeat patterns of our past. And um, so I had two kids and we were getting along. And um, my husband was invited to Hawaii uh for a conference. And so we ended up going, my mother-in-law ended up staying with the kids, and like immediately when we got there, she called and was like overwhelmed. And I'm like, Well, how are you gonna handle five days? Like, if you're overwhelmed a minute one, like shit, right? So it just kind of uh snowballed from there. And essentially, um, I think things had been building a little bit, like little resentments here and there, or passive aggressive remarks, or whatever. Um, and then that kind of just like culminated, and I was in, you know, I was on an island, I couldn't do anything. Um, I had to basically call in reinforcements, which I wasn't happy about. Um, and emotionally I was just extremely rageful and overwhelmed, and really didn't have the tools, I think, to sit with emotion or even know what I was doing. And so that kind of just festered over time. I've sought three years of therapy trying to figure it out attachment style therapies and hypnotherapies and all the different therapies, all to find out. Oh, I did different types of therapists, yeah. So, like I I went to a therapist that was specialized in attachment style, right? So I learned all about attachment style. And I went to a therapist for um IFS, which is internal family systems, which is a great modality. Um, it just took a long time. Um, I went to a hypnotherapist, I went to um a trauma therapist, and I ended up across the couch from people, and basically they're like, Well, have you tried this? I'm like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:56

You tried a podcast. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Um, and I was standing in the kitchen one day with my husband, and he the his parents have a house down in Mexico, and he grew up going down there, and he really wanted our children to experience the house down there. But I was, I was feeling like thrown to the wolves, and I was like, I can't believe that you would throw me into this situation with your parents, who in my mind at the time, I was like, they're incredibly abusive, you know, I'm a victim. And so um, I ended up basically getting an ultimatum from my husband of like, you need to figure this out, we're going to Mexico. Yeah. And that day I turned on one of my favorite human design podcasts. Um, this lady was talking about the subconscious mind and about this modality called Psyche. And it was literally like I saw a puzzle piece click into place, and I was like, that's what I've been needing. And so I scheduled um time with her. I bought four sessions. Um, in the very first session, I basically what what was happening is that I was in a trauma loop, right? So it's like any little trigger would just kind of throw me back into the initial moment of feeling overwhelmed and rageful and all these different things. And so um what we did was essentially use this modality to completely close that trauma loop and come to peace and non-attachment to see it from a higher perspective.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

And then to give myself empowering beliefs. So it's kind of like a manual upgrade for your belief system that you know, we're not we're not a phone, we don't get plugged in at night and get an automatic iOS update, so we have to do it manually. So that was the way that I did it. And then doing that modality for five years and reprogramming thousands of beliefs, I now have an incredible relationship with her.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 5:33

No, because look, I don't know. Look, I it's like my wife said the issue with my mom. So I I kind of see very similar, like, and every time it's been kind of traumatic, I haven't been home. Well, actually, once I was there and my mom was kind of abusive, but it's you know, like neither one of them know I I don't think I need know how to handle the situation.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Right.

SPEAKER_05 5:59

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Um and it just gets more and more heated and then it just like clashes and they well and then you're stuck in the middle. Yeah, and then there's no coming back from it almost, like what's some of the stuff that's said, and you know, and it's never forgotten.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

So the family, not just mother-in-law, the family's so dynamic that you have like these are people we're supposed to enjoy time with, and it's just like pretty much what's going on in the Middle East. You have one country country bombing another, another one bombing six more, and like it's going back and forth. Yeah.

Why Talk Therapy Was Not Enough

SPEAKER_00 6:34

So well, it's all from wounding and conditioning and trauma. And if you can have the perspective that, like, you know, my mother-in-law had her own share of abuse in her life, and not that that made an excuse. And I think that that during talk therapy or any sort of like cognitive therapy, that was I think what made me so upset was that yes, and right, like, yes, she comes from a family of abuse or she's been in abusive situations, but like, why does that excuse how I feel in the situation, or how does that excuse her behavior, right? And when we reprogram our subconscious mind and we actually see it from a different level perspective, almost like a spirit self perspective, when we change, they change. And like we have a great relationship now, and she didn't do anything, right? It's all because I changed the way I was seeing it. And I like to look at difficult situations as opportunities for our own development and to say, like, everybody's our mirror. And so if I'm triggered by you, right, it really probably has nothing to do with you, to be honest. It's probably something that happened in my past that you're now bringing up and pouring salt in my wound that I wasn't aware of. And if people can have that perspective, that maybe it's not about this person or this situation or what they said or didn't say, but it's about what it's evoking within me. And if I can see it from, oh, okay, I can see now that this opportunity gave me the ability to trust myself, to believe that I matter, to believe that I can communicate effortlessly without, you know, big emotions, whatever those things are. Whenever we have those conflicts in our life, I like to look at them as just mirrors of our own internal programs that we need to address. Because I don't know, I think that's kind of what life's all about.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

Yeah, it's not you, it's me.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Yeah, it's not you, it's me. Exactly. I mean, sometimes it's you, but like let's get clear on what my side of the road is, and I can try to like take responsibility for my side. I think that's also part of it.

SPEAKER_04 8:33

It's kind of just like building on responsibility and communication.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:40

So how are you getting into the subconscious or I use a modality, it's called Psych K.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

It stands for mind keys. Um I I like to say I'm a recovering control freak. Uh, and I didn't like to be like in a hypnotic state because I was like, I don't like to be like in a suggestible state where you can like program my brain. So um I found this modality. What it does is it uses body postures and muscle testing um to and conscious awareness to kind of access the back door of the nervous system. It's based in um whole brain research. And so through crossing the midline um in different postures, you're essentially turning on more brain capacity and allowing the body to fully process whatever it's in. So knowing that you're in a safe environment, you're kind of like in this little pretzel and you're kind of going through the mental loops and the stress of whatever you're in until your body kind of kicks in and releases it, and then you can see it from a higher perspective. Um, I also use what's called the emotion code and the body code. Um, and so it's using muscle testing again to be like, do you have a trapped emotion? How old were you when you got this trapped emotion? What is it connected to? Is it a heritage emotion? Is it absorbed from your mother in utero, right? So there's a whole bunch of different protocols that I use.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Um, but the primary kind of modality to try to get into the subconscious mind is through that body posture and muscle testing.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

And are you doing this for men and women, or is it just okay? Do men have emotions?

SPEAKER_00 10:12

No. It's all a farce.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

Which one's harder to deal with and break that?

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Uh you know, I don't I don't believe that either one of them is harder. It's about willingness and it's about whether or not you have the courage to face and be truthful with yourself.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

Yeah. Because physical pain, women, even being in surgery, women have such a higher tolerance than men do.

Finding Psych-K And Closing Trauma Loops

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah. I mean, also I think emotional pain too. Men and societally, right? You're men are taught like, don't have emotions. Shove that shit down. Just block it off. Yeah, but you don't. I mean, it it stores in the body. And then every emotion has a vibrational frequency, and then that goes to the path of least resistance. So then you're wondering why your knee hurts, but it's because you have all these built-up emotions, right? And the knees represent, you know, like moving forward and flexibility and all these different things. And so each part of the body, I like to look at each part of the body with clues. It's like a clue, right? It's like, okay, you've been diagnosed with endometriosis. Like, what are the emotional causes that causes endometriosis, right? So I'm always looking at the underlying emotional or energetic layers. But to answer your question, like anyone who is open and willing and at the stage where they just trust the process, it's easy. It's like it's a computer program, basically. And it's like, it doesn't care if something's been there for 50 years or five minutes. If you have the right modality and the right intention and the right process, you can update anything.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

It's like I took a emotional intelligence test. I had like first year in surgery.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Based it, obviously.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

No. My score was so low. It was experimental. So my program director didn't know what to make of the results. But he's like, I think I have to have a talk with you because you're you scored so low, like on the first percentile. He's like, I'm like, with all these surgery residents, these guys are all lunatics. He's like, No, with all residents, all medical fields. And my response showed how emotionally retarded I was because I was like, What? I tried, and I went home and I told Sarah, I was like, I can't believe it. This is a bullshit test. I got first percentile. It's like it'sn't that good. I was like, no, it's a test where 99th percentile. She's like, Oh yeah, I could have told you that. You didn't need to take a test to find that out. I was just like so pissed. But yeah, that was around the time my daughter was born, and that was the actual first like point. I was just like, Oh, what is this weird feeling? Right? Oh, I have feelings in my body. What is that? Oh, those are emotions, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

You know, like a lot of men, it's like you have to start like I don't get a lot of men in my practice because they they are just learning what emotions are. Yeah, and it's like I the men that I work with are they are more um open and they're more they're more like that's what I would say. They they've gone to some therapy, they've done some coaching, right? Like, I mean, my husband even is like, you're telling me emotion, like I don't know what that is, right? I'm like, there's a difference between mad and enraged, right? Like there's a difference between annoyed and peeved. Like there's they're different frequencies, but a lot of people don't have language for it. And so they just call everything anxiety or overwhelm. And so it's also a process.

SPEAKER_05 13:39

Yeah, it just seems like everyone breaks down all the time. Yeah, I shouldn't. We need group pricing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

But yeah, I think it's just a matter of, I mean, like you said, it's a lot of times in society, you're not we're not taught.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

I used to cry a lot as a kid. Yeah. Who my uncle we lived with would like just make fun of me for that. And that's why I think I like just cut it all off.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:05

Um there's certain situations, yeah. Like people said, I laugh, I smile too much, or something. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna still smile.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

That's because when someone's talking to you, you're thinking about something else. Yeah. So it might like your your physical response to someone's like what they're saying. I'm not even sure you're even part of the conversation. I've always wanted to take that emotional title.

SPEAKER_05 14:32

You're on the spectrum. I think you can probably find it online. Yeah, I know. I know. I always keep on telling myself that. That thing was long.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

It was like two hours long. Oh, they asked the same question like five times.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

I'm like, Well, they're looking for patterns.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

Yeah, they're I lied the first time they asked me this. Now I gotta now I gotta say that same thing, like flip back and be like. So at least at least I know I lied on a few questions, so that I'm probably emotionally smarter than what those test results show. That's also a glass hop full attitude. I like that. That's how I that's how I kid myself.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

Yeah, like for me, I you know, like I meditate quite a bit. And and like I use brain tap, which is yeah, um, you probably heard of it.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

And he meditates when people are talking to him. Yeah, all the I figured it out how to how to do it. He'll just go, uh-huh, uh, uh. So after the third time I hear uh they say protect your peace. I think that's gonna do it. No, after the third time he says uh-huh, like we're operating together, he's like, uh-huh. Then I'll say something completely wild. And it'll just be like blue runny rabbits.

SPEAKER_05 15:42

But like I feel like you know, if I don't meditate, like I will be short with people. And I'm not really short with people, I'm pretty chill overall, but like I find it at home. Like if my wife says something and I don't like it, I'll respond back to her. Where, you know, uh if I'm on my meditating train, oh, it's like she almost thinks I don't listen, but I do, but I'm like, you know, yeah, you're more chill. I don't want to like elevate this situation right now. So I think meditation is a beautiful practice.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Everybody should meditate.

SPEAKER_05 16:16

Yeah. Because I I just think you think a lot quicker and clearer, like you know, especially like I do it at night and like the next day, like yeah, I think a lot better and clearer.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

So that's reset and rest. Yeah, that's why it works so well. Yeah. So like put you put you back at the right place. And then it just because your brain's working so much all the time. That way it's like good to like just give it some downtime.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Yeah.

Triggers As Mirrors And Taking Responsibility

SPEAKER_04 16:43

We've talked about this. Came up like three, four years ago, because there's four of us in the family, four boys, and we're all physicians, like highly specialized. And we just talking, we're like, Oh, do you meditate? I asked him, so do you meditate? He's like, Oh yeah. And then I asked my other two brothers. I feel like that's what really gave me like my advantage in in like for med school for testing, because just being able to meditate, and sometimes it's just like even seeing like my practice exams, I start like you see trends and would like go off the rails. And then I realized the best thing I could do rather than like just being worked up from the prior question. If I got because it was never like if it's 10 questions wrong, it's clusters of five. It's not like every five questions, there's one wrong. So I was like, I just back then on pencil and paper, but put that.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

My number two pencil.

SPEAKER_04 17:43

Put everything down, look away for at least a minute. And I'm like, this is a wasted minute because it you have 60 minutes for 60 questions, so you can't really waste time. But I'm like, this will make my test better.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

But it's also an investment. So a lot of people like have that idea that it's a waste or that they're like, they don't have time, right? But I you probably experience this was when you do it, you get so much more time back because you're not spending all of that mental energy and like reacting to things that you don't want to react to and spending that time, you know. So it's like if you can switch it to an investment, which is what you did, it's like you're investing that minute so that you can get back on track and have cleared, you know, clear answers and clear cognitive functioning.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

Yeah, because the best two answers are always very close. So you're like, you just have to pick the best option. So that that really helped me out. It was like when I noticed, because I was just analyze how my results are coming in and thinking another one wasn't like not like after lunch, just like boom, like carb crashed down. So I ate very small meals. And if I got a question that I was like, do I know this? Do I not? Was this right? The next one, I would just give it some time, yeah, and then go back to it.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Yeah, smart. Anytime that we can create a distance between our responses, right? It's like that's what you're doing, and that's what meditation gives you, is the like between the stimulus and the response. It's like if you can create more space in there, then you can be more clear and more purposeful in what you're doing. And so that's like, I mean, it's just a beautiful life practice. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:23

Definitely. We can't all talk like Donald Trump. I don't want to be political. Just say the first thing that comes to your mind.

SPEAKER_04 19:33

He's got superpowers to actually say some of these things and not give a fuck about saying them.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

And he gets called dementia.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:41

The superpower is begins with a D. Ends with a super D.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

I'll give you that. I think that is a superpower.

SPEAKER_05 19:53

I almost have to meditate just listening to some of the stuff he says.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

I find it funny, so I just get that perspective on it of like.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Yeah. I mean, if it didn't like real-world catastrophic.

SPEAKER_05 20:06

I know, it's like the darkest comedy in the world, but it's just like oh, but it's become funnier because it's like how did we get there? None of it, none of it's making sense anymore. And you're just like, all right, he's gonna just say it and let's see what he says. Believe the total opposite. You know.

SPEAKER_04 20:24

No, my favorite's when he contradicts what they've put out for propaganda purposes. It's like, oh, this is this was a laundry room fire that caused all this damage to the like the biggest aircraft carrier in the world. And he's like, it's just getting bombed every day. There's 17 missiles going into it. It's like, okay. I don't think you're supposed to say that.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Yeah, no, he's definitely not supposed to say that. I don't know. I think I will get I will give him. I was actually talking about it with a client today of like he's fully embodied in all of his shadows, which illuminates a lot of shit for everybody else, right? So it's like if we can look at it like he's he is doing what he said, where he was like, I'm exposing all the things. It's like he's just haphazardly doing it on accident.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

So it's like he doesn't, he didn't mean to do it that way. It's just it's that's what's happening, but it's so it's so chaotic and so overwhelming.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Like when they do timelines of what he says, it's like one day or even like 30 minutes before he's like, I'm not gonna do this. And then he's like, I'm doing this.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Yeah, and then he's like, just kidding, I'm gonna pull back on it.

SPEAKER_05 21:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

He creates his own problems, but like his like if I look at his psyche, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Like if I'm looking at it from a subconscious lens, like it makes total sense.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

Like, yeah, because he's creating his own demise. Like it's not subconscious, it's completely it.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Yeah, right. Yeah, but it's like he's you know, it's like he he It's he's creating his own reality.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

And we can watch it in real time.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

And it's so blatantly just out there. There's no hiding it. And so it's kind of like it's predictable at least.

SPEAKER_05 22:12

At least like for him, you're like, he's got dementia. The rest of the people that have to follow him and be like, Yeah, they're like sitting next to him.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Like if you do watch them and like the interviews, and they're like, you weren't supposed to read that part out.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Yeah. Yeah. Like you can see their face being like one of the things was like state your name.

SPEAKER_04 22:32

He's like a name and still Marco. Okay, how are you gonna top him? I gotta work on that.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Yeah, you gotta get your mannerisms better, I think. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:43

You can't do Shane Gillis. That's he's he's he's so good. Yeah. The best.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

Yeah, he's pretty entertaining, I will say, but it is so along with this working with patient patients with subconscious and stuff, are like are you having them change any like daily habits that they're doing or anything?

SPEAKER_00 23:05

So when we do the programs, right, it's important to take action.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Because like our conscious mind has all of this evidence like against what your new program is. Yeah. And so it is important for you to like, even if it's a small thing that you've never done before, to reinforce the new program. Um, but once the program exists, it like at least in my experience, it's like your new normal.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

Yeah.

How Psych-K Works With The Body

SPEAKER_00 23:28

And so it makes doing the doing a lot easier. And so a lot of times when people are trying to get their lifestyle back in check, yeah, they don't actually have the programs to support them in it. And then it feels really hard and really overwhelming and really like defeating. And so what I help people do is create the program that allows you more ease in achieving the thing you're trying to do because the conscious mind is setting your goals, but your subconscious mind is getting your goals.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

So it's like if your goal setter goes, Oh, I'm gonna whatever, walk a mile every day. Yeah. But your goal getter is like, I don't feel good. I want to sit down, it's gonna make me tired. I I'll miss this opportunity if I leave my house. Like it has all these stories.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

And so you basically have to marry that with the accomplishment intention.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

And so the answer is yes, but it's done from a program and a pattern standpoint so that you can do the doing of what you're trying to achieve.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

And then if you're doing self-sabotaging behaviors, then you need to look at like secondary gains. Like, are you benefiting from not doing what you say you're gonna do? Right. There's a lot of people who have secondary gains where or a loss of identity. If I'm not sick, then how am I gonna relate to people? I've always been the sick one. I've always been the one who gets connection through suffering. So if I'm not that, then how will I live? How will I live? Right. So it's all programming that needs to be addressed. And I think anything behavioral, we operate 95% of the time from our subconscious mind. Like it's not like you're consciously trying to walk or to gum or even probably operate at this point for you guys. Like you, it's muscle memory, and that's all subconscious. And so if you were using your conscious mind that much, you would be exhausted every day. Yeah. Right. So I try to work on the programs that help you operate on that autopilot in a way that you want to.

SPEAKER_05 25:27

And are you getting a lot more people that are, you know, like especially with the GLP ones, because it's changing some mindset, but still like people, you know, they're losing such drastic weight that, you know, they almost feel like is it the right thing that they've done? You know, they sometimes they're not as happy as they were before.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Well, that's an underlying symptom, I think, for like what you're dealing with in general. It like it has not to me, it has nothing to do with the GLP one. That belief and that feeling towards self has existed that the GLP one now is illuminating. So I don't, I mean, I don't specialize in people that take GLP ones, but um anything that we're doing I think if it's if you don't feel good, yeah. I wouldn't go so far to blame the thing that you're doing. I would look underneath it. Like, what's the thing behind the thing? Right? Like what are the what are the stories you're telling yourself now? And are those stories the stories you were telling yourself at six, seven, eight, ten?

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Because they're probably the same, and you just never upgraded them and you never actually address them. And now you're in the situation where it's illuminating all of this wound.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

Yeah, or you make it fit to the scenario as you grow and it just builds on it. Yeah. So we have a business proposition. Can we do a niche GLP one?

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Yes, we can.

SPEAKER_05 26:56

Um I forgot what I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask about how about like alcohol and situations like this. I I haven't drank in like five years, although I think the restaurant gave me alcoholic beer instead of non-alcohol. I feel like I feel a little loose. Yeah. So what are these emotions I'm feeling? But like I don't drink alcohol, it's just a lifestyle change for me. Um, but like, how does alcohol play into this? You know, do you do you recommend for your patients that you see, like, do you recommend that they abstain from alcohol? Because some people use that as a crutch.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah, I I work more again on like why are we doing what we're doing?

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Right. And so I don't, I mean, I I like a good glass of wine every now and then, right? I found like when I when I actually did the reprogramming and I actually healed a lot of my shit, I didn't have a desire to drink as much. Yeah. And so for me, I naturally phased out of it. And it wasn't like even a conscious, like, I'm gonna stop drinking.

SPEAKER_05 28:02

Like no, it was kind of the it was kind of similar. Yeah, because I was like, I just kind of phased out of it because it I just become a piece of shit the next day.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

And I'm like, I'm a mom and I don't, I can't, unless I can sleep until like noon. Yeah, like which how can I do that? Right, like most of the time I can't. I can probably wake once a moment. Ten and seven.

SPEAKER_05 28:22

Okay, minor two and five, and like you're not. I just left them for like an hour because I thought the my mother-in-law was there, but like my my mom had told her not to come. Oh my god. And they like there were bubbles all over the kitchen floor, and they had wiped it with tissue paper.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

You get to clean it up.

SPEAKER_05 28:43

Yeah, I know. My wife was my wife had gone to work, so I was like, great. I get to do this first thing in the morning. Thanks, mom. Yeah, you know, and that's the thing. Like, you know, the these traumas from the mom.

SPEAKER_04 28:58

Alcoholic parenting works really well if you're allowed to hit your kids. It's not good for the kids. It's very much ground upon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Um, I mean, I just I just say like, I want people to do what feels good, right? Like, and from a place of empowerment, not of coping. And so, like, you know, I have patients that are like, I have to ground every day, otherwise I feel like I'm, you know, a basket case. And it's like, that's just coping. You're not, you're just managing symptoms. So I would rather let's create safety in your nervous system.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

Where if you do grounding and it feels good, great. But don't rely, you don't you shouldn't have to rely on anything. Yeah. Like, and I I just my goal always is like, I just want to be. Yeah. Like I want my clients to just be. And like I meditate, I don't meditate as often anymore because I'm I'm just being like I'm in a state where I'm peaceful and connected and happy. And so to me, it's like the the work is to get to the being stage. Like, we're not human doings, we're human beings, like just be and like do the things that feel good and supportive, but not from a place of like desperation.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

But yeah, I I mean, I don't really tell anybody what to do because I think I would rather your higher self and your intuition tell you what to do.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

I'll lead you, I'll help lead you to that answer, but I think everybody knows what they need to do at the end of the day and feel empowered in their choice.

SPEAKER_04 30:29

Do you have any thoughts about uh antidepressants or SSRIs or amongst the uh clients or patients you have?

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Yeah, I worked um with a woman who was on antidepressants since she was 16 and she was 56.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Wow.

Men Emotions And Learning The Language

SPEAKER_00 30:44

And um her goal was to try to eventually get off of them. Um she did get off of them for a while and then had to go back on them, and she felt a lot of shame around it. But I don't have I personally believe like we shouldn't be dependent on medication. But if you can use medication to go deeper and it can create the safety that you need in order to actually address the shit that you need to look at, like use it, right? Like we have these things that are really beautiful things if we can use them intentionally. And I think if you can use antidepressants intentionally, not just to like manage your symptoms, but to actually allow your body and your mind the space to deal with what is causing this thing, I think it's a beautiful thing. And I think, you know, I don't like to see anyone dependent on anything. Again, like whether it's grounding or antidepressants, like I hope that you can find chiropractic care. But like I love chiropractic care. But but the That's the only reason I'm walking right now, I swear.

SPEAKER_05 31:42

But the antidepressants don't really like fix anything.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

No, they don't, but they can create room to room, exactly. They can create the space, right? They can create the where they're not completely disembodied and like disassociated so that they can actually talk about or address what's underneath this, right? Because a lot of it is just unresolved trauma and they don't know how to deal with it and they don't know how to resolve it, which is what subconscious reprogramming is really beautiful for and how we can use the nervous system to our advantage. And then it's working with your doctor, yeah, you know, and saying, I'm gonna, I'm gonna step off of this and I'm gonna see how I feel and see what comes up and I'm gonna address that. But giving them the tools, right? Like if people don't have the tools to A, know what emotions are, B, know how they feel on the system, C, know how to sit with them, D, actually process them and digest them. Yeah, like they all just get stuck and then they call it anxiety and overwhelm, and then they're on drugs.

SPEAKER_04 32:39

Yeah. So I'm I've always been skeptic, especially of like anything we have for like mental disorders and anything to do with the mind. So like how how you think, just because like going through med school, you you learn how like medical research is done, and then you look at oh, what have they been doing? Like for schizophrenia. Yeah, they keep there's no good treatment for it because the the mind's the most complex thing in the world. Like I don't know what else could be more complex, but they pretty much say, Oh, this is the pathway for this, so let's block this. And that'll be a good thing. It doesn't have a side effect for that. Yeah, yeah. And and it's just like, no, you're kind of deeming the pathway from the treatment, which doesn't make any sense. Like if you truly know the pathway and you can alter that appropriately, then you'll have a much better success rate rather than like, oh, let's just block all the dopamine receptors, stuff like that, all the SSRIs. Yeah, it's really sad. Yeah, and and it's a spectrum for everybody. Like even for a bipolar disorder, like number one drug is still probably lithium. I haven't looked it up, but it's like Lexapro or lithium. Yeah, and that just like low dose lithium's longevity. I know, I know, but but it's I don't I don't really get it, but yeah, it's to prevent you from becoming manic later on in life. Um so yeah, that's that's what I think. I don't know what you think. Nothing. He wasn't listening. He was meditating, yeah. I was meditating during that.

SPEAKER_05 34:20

I was doing four, seven, eight breathing.

SPEAKER_04 34:23

Yeah, yeah. No. It's just like oh, he's talking again. Yeah, just remember. The camera on me has the biggest lens.

SPEAKER_05 34:30

I'm not a huge pusher of antidepressants. I I know like my my parents' friend, he's an internal doc, and you know, like, I don't know, my uncle like talked to him about something and he wanted to put him on antidepressants, and I'm like, he's like, fuck that shit. And like, I'm like, I agree with you. I'm like, I like you know, I understand some people need that, but like not everyone needs it. But I I was gonna ask you, like, what are your thoughts about like you know, all these new modalities coming, like psilocybin and mdma, and then the IV ketamine treatments and stuff. And right now, like, I I don't know who's selling ketamine, but there's like the ketamine trokeies that are popping up on my Instagram. I'm like, so do I just click this?

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Do I just buy ketamine?

SPEAKER_05 35:19

Yeah, I know. I'm like, I'm I'm bound to click on it, but then I'll get all these emails about like getting ketamine, and I'm like, uh, I know how to get ketamine. I just like I'm like, this is gonna be grown up in the phone.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

All of I think everything again with intention and with the right like with the right person.

SPEAKER_03 35:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

Um, I like I'm again a recovering control freak, right? So I was like, I'm never doing any drugs. Like, what if, you know, what if I fly off a fucking building, right? So um it took me forever to just like try marijuana, you know, and then you flew off a building. And then I flew off a building, and that's why I'm here.

SPEAKER_05 35:55

Um that's part of the whole alcohol in marijuana for me, is like marijuana, especially marijuana, it was like, you know, sometimes you want it to be disinhibited, but like over time, I'm like, dude, I want to be in control.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

I just or just have a clearer mind, you know, and a shit ton of anxiety, both drinking. Afterwards, yeah, both marijuana is just like this is they're bringing up your shoved emotions.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

That's what's happening.

Meditation As Space Between Reaction

SPEAKER_04 36:24

No, I don't think so. Because it was like undue anxiety that I'm bringing upon myself for drinking or smoking or edibles, whatever. And it just, I was like, this downside isn't worth the upside high, yeah. Like, and the high is it's kind of it's not natural, anyways. So but but just with that downside alone, I I didn't think that's it. Yeah, the next day was yeah, it's just like why why am I waking up thinking this way? Like, especially like like in our field when there's anxiety about like like cosmetic patients from the day prior that you're just like, oh god, did I do this? Did I do that? Uh, I hope they're okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Yeah, like second guessing yourself.

SPEAKER_04 37:13

Yeah, and then they show up and they're like really happy, and they're like, Oh, the great results. I'm like, why am I doing to myself doing this?

SPEAKER_00 37:19

You gotta name that voice in your head and you can call them like a whatever name you want and be like, listen, Larry. Yeah, I don't want to hear it right now. You just gotta give them a name. Um, but like as we're talking about psilocybin and MDMA and all these different things, right? Uh it's my belief that like you need to be with somebody who is safe, yeah, who is trained. Yeah, who like I wouldn't just buy ketamine off of Instagram. Um, I would I would again use intention and use discernment. And like I did my very first psilocybin journey with my partner, Caitlin. Um, and she's been trained as a plant medicine woman, right? And I trust her deeply. Yeah. And it was an amazing. She does a micro dose and I do a full dose. Okay. Um, I've only done it once, but it was literally fucking magical. I don't recommend it for everybody because she was literally like, not everybody has this experience. Like I was, I was the universe experiencing herself. I was like, I am so good at this. Like, I am so fucking creative. This is so wonderful, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

But not everybody has that experience. A lot of people have ego deaths or trauma that comes up from their childhood or past lives or whatever. And it's like you, I think it's really important to be with somebody who is trained and who is well seasoned and knows what to do if something goes sideways with these things, because they can. Um, but I think it's also a beautiful modality if that's calling to you. And I think that things like plant medicines, I think they call to you. I don't think that it's something that I would necessarily like prescribe to people. I think they have to be ready for that and they have to be seeking it out too.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

Yeah. But yeah, having a nice, like what I like to say, guide or like somebody there. Yeah. Because I mess around with it in college like a decent amount. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Recreationally is different than medicinally, too. It's like the intentions are different.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

How the experience was real, like there were some it's either horrible experience or great experience. So having somebody to guide you, make sure you stay on that path to be on that great experience would make a huge difference. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Or just creating safety in the bad experience. It's like, what is this trying to teach you? Right. And creating that safety for yourself to look at that, because obviously it's coming up. And I believe that like we need to look at what's coming up. But like, if you don't have a guide in that experience, it can be very, very scary.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

And so, yeah, having a trusted practitioner who can hold space, who knows what they're doing, who, you know, has all of the training. Um yeah, I would again it everything that I do really comes down to like your own intuition and your own discernment. It's like everything should be coming down to what is your inner truth. And your inner truth might look different than somebody else's.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

And that's okay. But like you need to know, you need to know what your voice sounds like and what your truth is and what your alignment looks like, and how you're gonna feel making that decision. And it's not for somebody else, it's for you. Yeah, and so I I look at that the same way.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

How about crystal myth? No, I'm kidding. Don't recommend. Definitely do not recommend that or heroin.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

But you know what? Everybody's on their own soul journey, to be honest. It's like, I don't know, maybe that's in your soul path. Like, maybe that's part of your life lessons. I don't fucking know. I don't know what you signed up for to come down here.

SPEAKER_05 40:41

Oh, in med school, there were quite a few people that are like, oh, ran out of Adderall, so I decided to get some crystal meth. Yeah, it's actually crazy. It feels like study for three days straight. They're like, Oh, I didn't, I stayed up and studied for three days straight.

Habits Self-Sabotage And Subconscious Goals

SPEAKER_04 40:56

I had one patient. I it's my favorite crystal meth story. Because like you in the notes, like because they've already been seen in the ER, so they say uh motor vehicle collision or like car versus bicycle. And uh a lot of times patients or their family members like, I have pictures of the scene. Do you want to see? I was like, no, because it doesn't affect like what I'm gonna do. Yeah, but um, I I saw this. This one on the notes said said uh 18-wheeler versus houseboat. And I'm like, what? And and the wife was like, Do you I have pictures of the scene? Do you want to see it? I was like, Yeah, I do, and it's in like Bayou St. John, so it's like kind of like swampy area, like one lane on each side highway in Louisiana and just goes straight for miles. And there's nothing from as far as you can see to the left or the right, there's just one houseboat and it has an 18-wheeler sticking out of it. Like, if this guy went off the road at any other portion on that highway, he would have just gone into the water drowned. But wow, and apparently it's big with truck drivers because they gotta stay up. Um because he was just going nuts. Like he's in restraints, but he was doing like sit-ups repeatedly, and they did imaging, consults, all this stuff. And I'm telling my attending, I'm like like pounding him with medicine that's not like that, will knock anybody out, not to mention like a large animal. And he's still going, they just like I'm like it's like superhuman strength. Yeah, I I told my attending, I was like, it's crystal meth. He's gonna do this for three more days, and then he's gonna crash out. And he was like, What? He's like, No, I was like, he's like, We have to order these consults and stuff. I was like, we really don't. Just let him just let him burn it up for three days. I swear, in 72 hours, done. Wow. He was like, How would you know?

SPEAKER_01 42:59

I watch a lot of interventions.

SPEAKER_04 43:03

It's not one I can tell you personally, but that's just what what it does. Yeah, and it was positive on his drug screen when he came in. I don't think this guy's on Adderall. Yeah, he's on something. There's something else happening here, yeah. Because he was hit with more Haldol than I've ever given to like 10 patients.

SPEAKER_05 43:25

Don't they have to give them like clon clondidine mixed with Haldol or something?

SPEAKER_04 43:30

We gave him everything.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

This is this is the message to the kids don't do drugs. That's the don't do drugs camera.

SPEAKER_04 43:39

He's literally doing like 100 to 200 sit-ups a minute for three days.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 43:44

Yeah. Yelling stuff.

SPEAKER_03 43:49

Yeah, his face.

SPEAKER_04 43:50

Versus like, oh, he's acting like this. I'm not comfortable going in there. I'm like, don't just let him be.

SPEAKER_00 43:55

Yeah. His soul's on a journey.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

Maybe throw a wall.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

He might not even be in his body. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:01

It was it was one of the craziest things I've seen though. Yeah. I was just like, holy crap. And then I just keep thinking of the 18 wheelers sticking out of a house boat like a cartoon. It was like Looney Tunes. Somebody came in to save the day for him. I I really should have. It is nothing like it. Use AI to recreate it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

Actually, I got this. 18 wheeler into house boat.

SPEAKER_00 44:27

Uh-huh. Long two-lane highway, swamp lands, give it all the details. I bet you it could create actually, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

It'll create the scenes. Yeah. I'll know exactly how he did it.

SPEAKER_00 44:37

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 44:38

Man raging on crystal meth runs into the only house boat.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

But it's all in process trauma, you know? It's like people do these things because they don't. It's like the easiest coping mechanism. And then, or it's giving them a benefit, which is staying up to be a truck driver.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

Superpowers.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 44:59

So what is like when someone comes in for a session with you, what does a session with you look like? Great segue. He's known for these.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

So smooth. Well, first I start them with crystal meth.

SPEAKER_05 45:14

And then we go down the ladder. Where do we sign up?

Alcohol SSRIs And Using Tools Intentionally

SPEAKER_00 45:19

We do the crystal meth first, and then we get into the subconscious reprogramming. So um, so it can look different. Um, if it's a one-on-one session with me, it's either on Zoom or at my home office. And I typically have you kind of ground for a minute. I open up the ceremony essentially by calling in guides, angels, ancestors, any balevolent being that's there for your greatest and highest transformation. Um, I'm very spiritually connected and I really believe I'm like a conduit and I'm just kind of I'm like listening to your higher self and your guidance and guiding you through it so that you can find your own truth. Um, and so I really set like intention before we do anything. And then I ask what your intention is. So, like if it's working on stopping drinking or you want to lose weight, or um, you're going through a divorce, or you went through a bad breakup, or you know, you just had a baby and you had a really traumatic birth story, like whatever the whatever those things are, um, we'll set an intention. So it's like, okay, by the end of the session, how do you want to feel about this? Right. And we'll kind of constantly kind of be checking back in. And then it's like an onion. So I typically start with a stress relief balance to just kind of get the system acclimated. Um, once the stress is relieved from the system, we can hear our higher selves and the guidance that we need. And so um, I'll ask you how it was, and you'll say, Oh, I realized that, you know, this was connected to that, or I actually don't feel safe, or I saw this younger version of me that's seven years old and she feels scared, or whatever it is. And so it's kind of like peeling back the layers, and every balance will create a new balance. And so sometimes it's stress relief, sometimes it's um a new belief that we need, sometimes it's a not belief. A lot of practitioners like they say it should be positively stated. Um, I don't believe that because we can, I had a client whose mom was very abusive and um like she believed like I'm a bitch. And I'm like, well, then you need to believe I'm not a bitch. Right. Like, so there's certain statements where it's like you can believe you're not a bitch, but you can also believe you are a bitch, and those two things are in conflict.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

And so I'm always kind of checking like, do you need a not belief to cancel out the belief you currently have? Do you need a new belief that's never existed before? Like, I am safe no matter what. Yeah, I'm inherently worthy. My worthiness does not, you know, depend on my achievements or whatever it is. Um, and then I lead you through the balances and you're doing the integrations. And then by the end, you know, if you're a stress level eight, I want to get you down, right? So it's like we kind of check in and say, okay, how are you feeling now? Are you at a four? Are you at a three? Um, do you feel complete? And then we're also looking for like trapped emotions or imbalances in the system to relieve those from the system.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:04

Um, so that's kind of my one-on-one work. I also do ceremonial healing um through.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

Who does that entail?

SPEAKER_00 48:11

So um I do it with my best friend Jade, who is a doula and studying midwife. Um, and it's kind of a rendition of closing of the bones. If you're familiar with closing of the bones, it's a postpartum healing ceremony. Um, but we kind of identified like five different thresholds that women go through in their lives. Well, men too, but um we primarily focus on women. Um, so kind of creating these different archetypes for the different thresholds so that you can understand.

SPEAKER_04 48:39

It's only two steps for those. It's two steps.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Um, two thresholds. Uh, but basically, um, I designed a quiz for women so that they can understand what threshold they're standing at. And then that comes with emails to support them. And then I have a portal where it has a whole bunch of the things that I've created over the years, and um I do weekly tarot readings for them and all of that kind of stuff. And then if they want to go deeper into ceremony, um, Jade and I will go to their house and set up an altar. Um it typically looks like either like a foot soak or a like a salt bath that you would start with to create warmth in the body. Um, then we kind of wrap you up and do storytelling. So a lot of this, if it's based in postpartum, um, the last one we did, she had a lot of birth trauma from her own birth, like with her mom. She almost died and she has nerve damage in her right arm. And so she was really afraid of getting pregnant. Um, and then she did get pregnant, so she kind of disembodied because like she was afraid that she was gonna die and her baby was gonna die. Um, and then so her second pregnancy, she got pregnant with a girl. Um, she had two cesareans, and so you know, all of these like, could I have done a vaginal birth? Or like, did I make that decision out of fear? Or I feel guilty that I wasn't really there for my pregnancy with my firstborn because I was so traumatized, right? And so we're kind of talking about it, but we're also clearing it through subconscious reprogramming so that she feels at peace and really kind of sees everything as like my intention was like, let's see your story as perfect and whole, right? Like, even though you have nerve damage, even though you had this experience, like let's let's see it from the birth of like the magic of birth, right? It's it's magical and it's a miraculous, you know, experience. And it doesn't necessarily matter on the other end, like how it came to be, right? And so just kind of creating peace in the system. And then we use what's called rebozos, they're handwoven, um kind of like long scarves, and there's seven of them, one for each chakra. And so Jade will go and do light body work and then wrap you up, and you basically like look like a mummy. Um, and so it kind of wraps you and like swaddles, swaddles you and it feels really good because it's super safe and it like compresses your body. Um, and you kind of just sit there as I do alchemy bowls. Um, the alchemy bowls that we have work on the endocrine system specifically. And so I'll guide you through a guided meditation.

SPEAKER_04 51:03

Are those like sound bowls? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

Yeah, crystal sound bowls. Um, and I'll guide you through a meditation um to just kind of help the healing along. And then you'll unwrap, and it's like the ceremony of kind of closing one chapter and coming into the next.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

The metamorphosis.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So we do that for the five thresholds. So depending on, you know, if a woman is going through a divorce and she's kind of healing from that and coming, you know, back into her own sovereignty, or a woman who um, you know, the gateway of Persephone is like the gateway of awakening, those like spiritual awakenings where you're like, my entire fucking life was built on a lie, what the fuck? Um, those moments.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

When's your next opening?

SPEAKER_00 51:42

Yeah. Tomorrow, actually. No, not tomorrow. Tomorrow's my day. Wednesday's my day. Okay. Thursday. Um, so we typically see people on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

And then my one-on-one is Fridays. Um, so ceremonies are typically Tuesday, Thursday. My one-on-ones are Fridays. Um, and I do women's circles. So I host women's circles at my house with my friend Caitlyn, who's a plant medicine facilitator. And that's more like group style um conversation, subconscious reprogramming, sound healing, and energy healing. Um, and then I have my online portal and new moon manifestation group. So I kind of have things for everybody. Nice. Yeah.

Psychedelics Need Safety Training And Guidance

SPEAKER_05 52:17

And how many, how many sessions, like the one-on-one sessions, uh, how many sessions does it take usually to get like a breakthrough with some of these people?

SPEAKER_00 52:26

Um, we always have a breakthrough after session one.

SPEAKER_05 52:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

Um, I when I'm talking with people, I can kind of intuitively sense like you would be best with four sessions, you probably need six, eight, whatever. Um, eight sessions, if you can sit down for eight sessions, which is the equivalent of like eight hours of work, yeah. Um you your whole life will change. Yeah. So um it's just a matter of like what are your goals?

SPEAKER_04 52:52

Just one whole workday.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

Yeah. I mean, if you want to, yeah, like it's really like what are your goals? What are you trying to achieve? Right. So um, if you're just trying to get a stress relief because you're in like a high trauma situation right now and you're just trying to kind of regulate, like you'll find that on one session. But again, it's layered and so.

SPEAKER_04 53:14

Triggered. We already thought Jose I'm gonna need I'm gonna need to sign up for 24 sessions. God, I thought Jose was gonna be here today. Um, how can people find you?

SPEAKER_00 53:29

Uh I'm on TikTok at rapid underscore renegade, and then I'm on Instagram, the underscore rapid renegade, and uh rapid get rapidrenegade.com. Um those are kind of my primary Okay.

SPEAKER_04 53:43

What's the easiest way to sign up for whether it's one on ones or the um uh spiritual healing my website.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

Website yeah, rapidrenegade.com.

SPEAKER_04 53:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

Yeah. I have a lot of things on there, but I also have just like the contact form. A lot of people are like, Where I don't know what to do. I don't know, you know. So just contact me and we can figure out like the best plan for you. Cause some people think like, oh, I need one-on-one work. And I'm like, actually, you might be better in the group situations, right? So it just kind of depends on what you're working through. And I mean, I try to make doors for everybody, right? It's like I don't think they're one size fits all. So um, but yeah, if the people that are desiring that deeper work, that one-on-one, like my website would be the way to go. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

I think right now I have like a session, like a four-pack session on there, um, which tends to be pretty great for most people. And then if they want more, they can do more.

SPEAKER_04 54:35

Do you find anybody any people going for the group sessions like for a prolonged period, like rather than just like four, like just finding like some type of ease and resolution by just continuously attending?

SPEAKER_00 54:51

Yeah, we have some. So our group sessions are limited to 10 women, and so we keep it very intimate because it is super transformational. And also like our intention with this is like so you can also find community. And like, yeah, there's always amazing serendipitous like situations that happen in these. It's like the right women are in the right group at the right time, you know, dealing with very similar things. Um, and so that provides a lot of healing and comfort, but also community. And so for those types of things, like we have women that come every single month to one of the circles or they'll attend one of our retreats, right? And so um, some of them will do one-on-one work with me to kind of complement it. So it just kind of depends. But if you're looking for community and kind of being in the space with other women, there's really there's a lot of power when women get together and share their story and heal. Um, and I think it's super beneficial if that's the thing you're into.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

Do you see anything with like you know, groups of like breast cancer patients or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 55:52

Um, I have women in my group that have dealt with breast cancer. Um, very recently, actually. Um on my one-on-one work, they tend to have very similar childhood experiences with their primary caregivers. And so I I kind of go back in childhood and start to rewrite that in their system so that their body can heal.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

Um, and then releasing all of the trauma that is getting diagnosed and having surgeries and different things. Um, but yeah, I think I mean, we're human, we go through all the things.

SPEAKER_05 56:26

Because yeah, just finding out and like going through all the surgeries and treatments and stuff, it's quite traumatic. Yeah. Um, it's good to have some outlet where you can, you know, you can go back to normal and just not think about a new normal. Yeah, uh like the cancer coming back all the time.

What Sessions Ceremonies And Circles Look Like

SPEAKER_00 56:45

Yeah. So well, and it's like that if you're feeling like the fear of like the other shoe's gonna drop, right? Because we create from the field. And so if like we're always creating from our programs, and if we have the program that like I'm gonna get breast cancer, I'm you know, I'm sick, if whatever stories you're telling, if they're embedded in the subconscious system, like they're like on it, we're gonna make you sick, right? So it's really important to catch what we say and like correct ourselves and think positively about our bodies and that they are whole and healthy and thriving and full of vitality and all the different things because that will help the body actually manifest that.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, uh good outlook leads to positive outcomes, and there's actually research for for surgeries, like more positive, you have better outcomes. Yeah, even if your outcome is bad, you just have a better attitude, so you think more of it, I guess. But no, on top of that, like it's actually less um not side effects, less risk for all the downside stuff of surgery.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

So yeah, well, you also read about like the miraculous healings, right? It's like because they believed that they could. Yeah, like it there is no other explanation, you know. It's like they believed wholeheartedly with all of their cells that like they will conquer this thing, and they do.

SPEAKER_05 58:04

And so especially subconsciously, the people that believe it consciously, but subconsciously are thinking differently. Yeah, it definitely doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_04 58:13

Yeah, so yeah, we should set something up.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_04 58:17

Yeah, sounds like we have we have a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

No, girls, I could do a two for one session on the brothers and have you guys balance at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 58:27

We're talking about the breast cancer patients. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:30

Oh, you don't want to go through it.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

No.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

I think maybe patients.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

We have a lot of breast. I have not had breast cancer, so I cannot I mean I work on more than just breast cancer. No, no, I know, I know. I got it.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

We don't have to talk about your emotional intelligence right now.

SPEAKER_04 58:46

Not while cameras are working. Where's patient confidentiality?

SPEAKER_00 58:51

But yeah, I'm happy to help anybody when they're ready for it. And um, I like what you guys do of kind of looking at the whole person and not just like one aspect because that's unfortunately the medical system, it it hasn't had the support to be, you know, like well, it's been plugged the hole, which it used to be just trauma surgery, but now it's become a whole thing.

Where To Find Victoria And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_05 59:16

Yeah. And like getting you out of the office. Yeah. Where, you know, that's where you know, this private pay sector, pay for my care, just like urine, we're sort of in, is like when people are paying for their own care, they care more about it, you know, and that shows you know where they're gonna go, how they're gonna heal. Um, I think overall it's just a better way to deal with stuff. Like whether it's like doing hormones or peptides, or they're you know, coming in for cosmetic surgery, it it they're paying for it and they're you know, they're much happier with it than you know, like the in and out. We do plenty of insurance cases. You know, it's not as many people as happy with what they have um as you know, our patients that are paying for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

Yeah, well, it's like the skin in the game, they're invested. So when you're invested, you have better outcomes and better, you know, mindsets and all of that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:20

Yeah. Uh thank you for coming on the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

Yeah, thank you.