WHY HEALTHY MEAL PREP IS WRECKING YOUR GUT

Welcome And Jordan’s Nutrition Work

SPEAKER_02 0:19

All right, welcome to Age Proof Podcast. Uh, you want to just introduce yourself and your background?

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Yeah, thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Um, my name's Jordan. I'm a functional nutritionist. I've been practicing for around two years now. Um, but I open my own wellness practice online. So I'm all remote and I mainly work with women that have PCOS, gut issues, kind of heal naturally.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

Okay. Any like perimenopausal, postmenopausal?

SPEAKER_01 0:48

I am not necessarily focused in that area. I definitely do get women that are going through perimenopause and menopause, but I'm more gut issues. And I feel like with my age, I definitely attract a younger crowd of women. Um, so a lot of I get a lot of PCOS women. And I feel like a lot of girls now in their um early 20s are developing a lot of PCOS. Yeah. Um any relations to weight or yeah, I uh a lot of weight gain comes with it. Um, but I think it's really actually just how we're treating our body, the inflammation, the world, our food, where we're eating, um, and also the endocrine disruptors in our world are really impacting women woman's hormones. Um, and that's like mainly, I think, why we have such a high trajectory of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Okay. What got you into it?

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Yeah, I actually struggled myself. So 2018, I started having a lot of gut issues, um, kind of came out of nowhere. I've always been like a very tiny girl. So it was very odd for me to deal with a lot of weight gain and gut issues. And then they got really bad when I went to college. So around like 2021, I got diagnosed with celiac disease, which is an autoimmune disease. And that's kind of when things went really downhill for me. I gained like 30 pounds in three months. So very, and I was like a very healthy girl. I was like the healthiest one of my friends, which is why it was very hard for me to go through something like that. And I feel like also in college, it's like your fun time, like you're enjoying life. And I was not enjoying it at all. So I actually moved home from college. Um, I tried to see every GI doctor, traditional doctor, no one could really give me answers. And that's how I kind of found functional medicine and then healed from that.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Okay. What helped you switch?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, I think I started, I kept getting answers of like I was always gonna have to deal with it, always gonna have to manage PCOS, deal with gut issues. It was just like my genetics. And I think I just don't like taking no for an answer. So I was like, I'm gonna heal from this. Like, I'm not gonna feel miserable the rest of my life. And that's kind of when I did my own research. I found functional medicine and just like healing naturally. And then I just like deep dived on it, tried everything, and then like I felt so much better once I started everything that I was like, okay, this is really, this is really gonna be it.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

What were a couple of the key things that you know that you like really noticed the difference?

The Whole-Foods Shift That Worked

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Yeah, like that I did. Yeah. Yeah. Diet for sure. Um, I feel like in the mess Midwest, especially, and just with my family, we always kind of ate unhealthy, a lot of processed things. Um, so I didn't really know that we were eating in a very unhealthy way. I just thought it was normal. Yeah. Um, so I switched to mainly whole foods. I cut out gluten and dairy, and that's when I really um noticed the biggest difference. I dropped like 10 to 15 pounds of inflammation in the first month. And that's when I was like, wow, like our food is really hurting our bodies. And that's really when I noticed like that's that direction I need to go in.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Yeah, the mid Midwest is like the the food, the amount of processed foods and stuff is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

It's insane.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

I mean, it's bad all throughout the US, but it's focused there. I have a friend who's an ice cream distributor up in uh Wisconsin in uh Milwaukee. And I was just like, oh, why don't you come to like Arizona and do that? Like the weather's like ice cream weather year-round or like Southern California, Florida. He's like, Oh no, you don't understand. He's like some some my numbers might be off, but I recall him telling me like the average American eats two gallons of ice cream a year. So but but the ad average person from the Midwest, even though they don't eat it year-round, and it's like most of it's over the summertime, they eat 12 gallons of ice cream.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

I believe it. Yeah, I I literally grew up on ice cream, I think. Like it was, and also I think the amount of drinking that happens, it's like a very normal thing to come home and drink and like go to bed every single night and like drink throughout the week. And I think that right there is just like it's a normal in the Midwest to do that. Where out here, it's like you don't have to be drinking to go out with your friends or do something, and it's like just completely different culture.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Yeah, it's a generational shift too. Like a lot of young people are choosing not to drink.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

And I don't I'm older than you, but I is it drinking all different types of things or is it a lot of beer?

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Um, a lot of beer, but definitely I think all types of drinking, it can be harmful for you. Um, but the beer and the wheat, like that's mainly what's around the Midwest and also like anywhere, honestly. And it's it's a lot for your body. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

So outside of gluten and dairy, are there other things that you specifically stay away from?

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yeah, me, myself, I stay from refined sugar as well. That's gonna be like the fake sugar made up in labs to make it things like sugar-free, yeah, stuff like that, um, very inflammatory for our bodies. Our bodies aren't meant to digest things like that. So that's why it's really when you do, it inflames you. Um, but the main things are refined sugar, gluten, and dairy. And I really just stick to Whole Foods. Um, so I always say, like, if it's in a package, don't eat it unless it's all whole food ingredients on the back label. Um, and even that, like it shouldn't be your main source of food. It can be like a treat here and there. Yeah. But I really think getting back to the basics and just eating whole foods, things that grow, walk, fly on this earth, like that's how we are supposed to be eating. So that's what our bodies are used to. And anything outside of that realm really inflames us.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

How long after you made like these little tweaks, did you notice the difference? Was it weeks, months?

SPEAKER_01 6:25

For diet, the inflammation-wise, within weeks I felt so much better. I had a very complex case. So I had PCOS, gut issues. It took a lot of internal healing to do. Um, so overall, my healing journey was probably like two years till I like really felt like 100% in good health. Um, but it was like little changes throughout the years. I eventually would like be like, oh wow, like my energy's back, or oh wow, my hair is growing back. So those things were kind of slower, but inflammation-wise and weight-wise, like almost right away uh dropped off me once I kind of switched my diet.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Were you drinking throughout the week too?

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Yeah. So um, I mean, I started drinking before I showed up. That's just like I feel like in the Midwest small town. So I um, you know, had been drinking for a while. And even in college, it was like a Tuesday through Sunday thing. You would go out and drink with all your friends. Yes. And that was like when I moved home, like another thing that I completely cut out of my diet. And I feel like it's honestly a scary thing once you realize how horrible it makes you feel that it's like, wow, why was that such a normal thing for me to just keep doing? And like you wake up the next day and feel horrible and you're like, oh, I'm just hungover, like it's normal. Yeah. But really, it's your body being like, I can't take this anymore. Like, this is way too much for my system. Yeah. So that was a huge, and even now, like if I go out and have a drink, I instantly like, I'm like, my body does not want this. And I think it's just because I've gotten so used to feeling good and lowering inflammation that now like anything little like that that I used to have all the time, it just is like, I do not want it.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Yeah, they generally say don't drink after like I think like 8 p.m. and only have like one drink. Yeah. For for me, if I have one drink after five, it destroys my sleep.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

Like I it I wake up in the middle of the night, I I don't get full rest, and then like just looking at my sleep parameters, they're all out of whack. Like no deep sleep, tons of snoring, and usually never one drink either. So yeah, that just recently like altogether stopped too. And it makes a world of a difference. And it it definitely destroys your gut health too.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

What other ways can people try to control their gut health?

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Yeah, I always say right away, get testing done. Um, I feel like there's so many things going on within our gut that people will just throw random things at it. There's so many supplements out there, there's so many diets that I feel like people are always trying.

SPEAKER_04 8:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

And a lot of times that can be worse for you if you don't know what's going on with your gut, especially if you are dealing with a lot of gut symptoms. So I always recommend getting a GI map test done that shows us like how your gut's functioning, if there's any bacteria in your gut, pathogens, things like that. And then from there, you can go through a gut healing protocol. I always recommend someone do that at least once in their life because our gut health truly is like the center of our health. And usually if you are dealing with symptoms, it always ties back to your gut. So I think once you go through a gut like healing protocol, it's like for the rest of your life, you kind of have your health under control because you have taken the steps to get there.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Okay. And what are some types of gut healing protocols?

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Yeah, yeah. A lot of it is kind of bringing down the inflammation. So, like I said, um anti-inflammatory diet, that's what I put most of my clients on. Obviously, if it's a pretty extreme case, you can do like LaFodmop, things like that. But at generalized, I like anti-inflammatory. And then from there, it's always kind of doing um like a series of a protocol. So, usually that first month you want to open detox pathways, really kind of get your body prepared to then go through a gut healing protocol. And then it's things like antimicrobials, which will go in and actually kill off bacteria in your gut, um, help your good gut microbiome like flourish, and then um really go through healing as well. So there's so many supplements out there that can help your gut heal, but there's also so many things that can be going on with your gut that I always recommend knowing what's going on before you kind of try these healing supplements.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

And then like trying the supplements one by one, seeing what's working and what's not.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

What are some of the most common pro-inflammatory foods that people might not think of?

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Oh my gosh, there's so many. Um, I think number one, the our creamers like that we're putting in our coffee are filled with so many inflammatory foods. Um, so things like gums, things like um refined sugars, all of those, those are gonna be like the number one thing that are inflaming us. I also feel like there's so many um, you know, things out there like pastas or even like the bread that we're eating, like it's such processed forms of it that it's wrecking our digestive system. Um, and people just think that's like the normal and how they should be eating. So I feel like, you know, kind of the basics that everybody's eating every day, it's really actually inflaming us.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Yeah, but it's not necessarily all like pastas and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

No, yeah. There's so many good versions out there now. I think it's knowing um what you should be avoiding and also what you should be eating. And I always say, like, I don't think bread's bagged. I don't think gluten is bad. I just think you need to get the unprocessed version of them so our bodies can handle it and digest it. And those are gonna be way better on your digestive system.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

What's your thoughts on dairy?

SPEAKER_01 11:28

I love dairy. I originally, if someone's very inflamed, I think you need to cut it out. It's going to be even a good version of it will be inflammatory if you're dealing with a lot of gut issues. But I always want to get my clients to a place where like you can have dairy in your life again because there's so many good benefits to dairy as well that I don't think you need to cut it out for the rest of your life. I think it's temporarily. I think it's when you're going through a gut healing protocol, it can be very inflammatory. But other than that, I think if you have good health, if you have good gut health, there's nothing wrong with having dairy.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Yeah, and that that's the thing. Like we take all these protein shakes and stuff, and half of them have milk protein, you know. I'm like, why am I not just taking the dairy? So yeah, I've gone back to, you know, I stayed away from milk and stuff trying to be anti-inflammatory. Yeah. Now now going back to like grass-fed whole milk instead of, you know, getting more processed stuff.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Yeah, and I think there's also some people that will switch to almond milk, but not even like a clean version of it, which is gonna be 10 times worse for your gut than a clean version of dairy would be. So I always say that too, like learn before you just want to switch to kind of all these other things.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

Because the almonds and stuff, they grow on trees. So you get all the pesticides that like people don't realize that they don't just like make almonds or they don't come out of an ATM machine or something.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah, I actually if I ever run like a uh map or a food panel, like seeing if you're what foods you're reacting to, I feel like almonds is like the number one that I always see. And it's because people will switch to almond milk because I read that dairy is so bad for them, but it then it's like so overloading on your system that you're so quick to then get an intolerant to it as well because it's just so inflammatory.

SPEAKER_03 13:04

Were you lactose intolerant? No, no, no. I thought I was, but I think I was over drinking milk. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Yeah, we were we were given the we grew up on you have to drink three glasses of milk at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

Crazy how that's changed. Yeah, yeah, like no, I like I have no like I drink the milk I get for my kids, and I always get like the grass grass-fed milk, whatever's top shelf. Yeah. And no, it tastes great, and like, yeah, I even put whey protein in it, I don't have any issues with it. So um, it always feels pretty clean. Um and even cheese. And like one of the things with cheese is like I, you know, I'm like, these kids love this cheese and they don't want to eat anything else. And then like I look at the package, I'm like, shit, this stuff's got tons of protein, it's probably got a good amount of healthy fats, you know. If you're getting the right unprocessed cheese, that's you know, that stuff's good for you. So yeah, I'm like anytime they want grilled cheese or whatever with like made with healthy bread.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

So yeah, I think it's so important too to have kids eat cheese at a young age because it's when you cut it out for even like starting so young. If you don't have it for such a long time, you will grow kind of intolerant to it because your body's not used to it. Where it's like, I think it is detrimental to kind of pull those right away as children.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

What I found was, you know, like I I did like I did the biome GI GI map or whatever, the food allergies and stuff. And like they sent me some probiotic, I don't believe in their stuff. Uh people say they've tested it and like people talk about it, but these days a lot of the stuff's like marketing. So it's like whether their like microbiome built, whatever powder they have is any different than anyone else's, like was questionable. But like I, you know, what I found was like I I'm allergic to like peppers, like sweet peppers, not the hot peppers and stuff. So like nightshades and stuff, and even tomatoes, I kind of like I stay away from tomatoes and like every like and what I've noticed is people put peppers in so many things for flavor, and like I actually feel like shit when I eat it. So um and it might be an afterthought, like, but like I I always like I I didn't like the taste of it cooked, and then like as I eat it, I also feel like it was definitely more inflammatory than yeah, like milk or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Yeah, that's actually very common with people that have autoimmune.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Yeah.

Hidden Food Triggers People Miss

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Um, so like AIP diet will take off away a lot of nightshades um until you kind of go through and like heal that, and then then you can you don't react to them anymore. Um, but that's really common with like autoimmune disease.

SPEAKER_03 15:55

And how about you know, what's getting pretty common nowadays? Uh uh what do you think about the per parasite cleanses?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 16:03

Stuff all these people are doing.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Yeah, I I don't think anybody should be doing them by themselves. I think also the ones that people are advertising are not gonna do anything for you. Yeah, um, I always say test before you do anything because you can make your gut 10 times worse if you don't know what you're attacking. There's so many things that can happen at with a compromised gut, but they all come out at the same symptoms. That's why it's like you could have a bacteria overgrowth, you could have a pathogen, you could have H. pylori, all these are three different things that could be in your gut, which is three different protocols you would be doing. So by going and doing a parasite cleanse, if you don't have a parasite, like that's gonna be way too much on your gut, especially if you're already dealing with a compromised gut, that people are actually just doing making things worse for themselves.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

Yeah, it's I think people are buying it on Amazon.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Yeah, I'm like anything I'm like, do you know what it what's in there?

SPEAKER_03 16:51

But I have no clue. Yeah, yeah. But like I saw adult things stuff coming out.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

I'm like, it becomes a trend.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

Like taking out added some mu mucus to it, so you think it's different.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

So yeah, not a fan of this.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

Yeah. How do you connect gut health to like hormone health?

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Yeah. I, if anybody is dealing with any symptoms, even like PCOS, anything like that, I always look at their gut health first. Your gut is literally the center of your health. Um, and I'll say it over again if you are dealing with a compromised gut, um, you're going to have symptoms everywhere. So a lot of times it will start off as gut health, poor gut health, but you ignore it for so long that then it can turn into an inflammatory thing in your body that it's like affecting your hormones in as well. So having an inflamed gut can cause high cortisol. It can cause you not to be producing enough um hormones. It can cause you to be backed up, meaning that you are recycling hormones in your body, which then meaning you're having too much estrogen in your body. You're not having enough progesterone. And it's like always look at the gut health first because it truly is creating a lot of other diseases, even autoimmune. I always look at the gut health first because it truly, as soon as that's compromised, everything else in your body can follow as well.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Yeah, well, it's a huge uh immune organ throughout your body, like multiple organs, but like there's a lot of immunoglobulin and stuff, skin and your gut, because both are exposed to outside environment.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

So they they tend to have like a severe immune response.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

Yeah, like for me, I I always do like the ultimate, I use the GI ultimate GI repair. Like anytime I go out of the country or I feel like I'm more inflamed, where you know, at my age, I'm like 46. Like you start again, if if I start getting aches or like lower back pain, I'm like, all right, there's something going on in my gut. I'm like, gotta calm the inflammation before anything else. Just like we were in Tokyo, and my wife um she got sick and she's like, she's like, my back because at the beginning of the our trip, her back pain had actually gotten better once we were in Tokyo because like I think just the food and everything was less inflammatory, and she was taking the peptides, and then like towards the end, she started to get sick, and she's like, My back pain's like worse than ever, and like nothing was helping it. So as she got inflamed, like everything else started. So, and that that's kind of the way I feel like if I'm getting sick, I can kind of tell like with um with feeling pain, aches and pains elsewhere. Um, and look looking for the you know what's going on. It's sometimes it's the gut you gotta go after the gut first before anything else.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

I think a lot of people don't know that like joint pain and back pain and even like um anxiety or depression, like that is inflammation in your body. And I think a lot of people don't relate the two. So I always say if there's inflammation in the body, there's a root cause to it. There's something that's causing this inflammation to rise. And that's always where I say getting testing done or looking at your gut is always gonna be the first step there before throwing random things at it.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

What are some common allergies you see that almost everybody has?

SPEAKER_01 20:09

Yeah. Um, you mean to foods? Yeah. Yeah. Gluten and dairy are gonna be the biggest ones. Um, when you have an inflammation in any way, they're like the number one drivers of inflammation. Um, and so those are gonna be like the main ones that I see a lot of allergies to. I mean, if you have a compromised gut, if you have gut issues going on, you're gonna react to a lot of foods. That doesn't mean that you are allergic to those foods and like you can never have them. It just means that your gut is so inflamed that you're reacting to them. And so a lot of people will blame the food, but it's not actually the food that you're eating. A lot of times it's the place that your gut is in. So it takes going through a healing protocol to then be able to eat these foods. And I think that's why so many people become so restrictive, but that's really actually worse for your gut because then it's like you're not flourishing your gut with good food. Um, and so yeah, that's like the number one thing that I think.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

So it's more like your gut's reaction to the food.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

The gut's reactions reliant on like I keep repeating about its health overall.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah. I actually like rarely run a um allergen food panel on a lot of my clients because if you have a gut issues, everything is gonna come back flagged on there. Like you're always gonna have something coming back flagged, but removing that food isn't gonna heal you. It's not gonna heal your gut issues and make them go away forever. That's why you have to look deeper and actually find the root cause. Because, like I said, the food isn't the root cause. So getting that panel done, like it's not really giving you any answers that you need to then go heal. And so I always say stick to whole foods, flourish your gut with good foods, and then go through a gut healing protocol.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Do you ever run panels after?

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Um, like the intolerant panels?

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Uh, not really. No. I I I find a lot of times when you have a healthy gut, you really can't eat anything unless it's like an actual like severe allergy, like EpiPen allergy type of vibe. Um, Other than that, it's really just an inflamed gut that can't handle it.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Yeah. I'd just like to see the difference after some people do the reset or cleanse, whatever. Um seeing how much that's just generalized inflammation versus like, oh, I'm not intolerant to this, this, this, yeah, that would be really cool to see.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

And I'm sure like there would be a huge difference before and after.

Choosing Gut And Hormone Tests

SPEAKER_03 22:23

What are the tests you usually use?

SPEAKER_01 22:25

The most, the two most common tests that I use are a GI map test, um, which is testing your gut, how it's functioning, if there's pathogens, parasites, anything like that. And then a Dutch hormone hormonal test. So that's um gonna test your uh hormones over a 24-hour cycle, which is really nice because it gives you so much insight on how your hormones are fluctuating, especially as women. They fluctuate so much. So those two really give me so much info on what could be going on.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Yeah, the Dutch test is great, but like it's so expensive for the common folk. That's that's the biggest issue that comes from that. Yeah. How much is it? It's like five. It's in the 600s. Yeah, five, six hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

What is that? Saliva samples throughout the day.

SPEAKER_04 23:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

And some people go with saliva, especially for hormones. Some people are completely against it in the hormone world. So it's yeah, it's kind of confusing when you get into the hormone world. What you're like, you know, you go through a whole day of lectures and everyone has a different feel on it. Yeah, and you're like it's tough to choose which which one people are like just do saliva, some people are all about blood, and some people do blood for this and saliva for this, so it it just becomes pretty confusing.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Doing blood randomly throughout the day would kind of be tough.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

So you could you could though, you just oh pinprick, drop blood in the tube.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Yeah, I I tend to like to do the GI mat test, and then we'll do like a morning blood draw just to get your hormone levels. Um, because if someone's dealing with PCOS, that's how you can diagnose them, is getting those levels done. But it's definitely I always say I would always test the gut before I test hormones.

SPEAKER_03 24:05

Yeah, like the microbiome like readout that I got, I was like, this is like pretty useless because it was like you have so many bacteria in there. I'm like, what's you know, it was tough to make any sense from uh what it actually was. You know, how how do you make sense out of something so complex?

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yeah, it's very complex. I like the GI map. So there's a bunch of different kinds. I like the GI map because it doesn't make it so complex. It tests some bacteria here and there. But I always say you're never gonna have a perfect gut test comeback. Like you're always gonna have a little bit of an overgrowth or some less good bacteria. And so I always look for a severe overgrowth, which is gonna be a lot of high levels of bad bacteria. But I really like to look at how the gut is functioning. So, how are you digesting your food? Um, your secondary IgA, that's your immune system in your gut. That's low or high, that's giving us huge indications of something going on. Um, and then I love zonnulin. Zonulin's testing for leaky gut, which is going to cause you to have a lot of inflammation. And so those are kind of the markers that I pay attention to more to. I don't really get so many people get lost in the chaos. And I think there's a lot of um tests out there that test too much. Yeah. It's like you don't need all those levels tested. And you really just need to look at like the general ones.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

That's fine. I think a lot of the testing also makes more money off of the stuff they're selling you for the testing. Yeah. Because we got our dogs tested, they're allergic to different foods and stuff. Um, but gives you like all these things, like a little sensitive, keep away from this is okay. And then the on the bottom is like, here's 24 supplements that can help. Like, who's gonna give their dog 20?

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Like mine told me, you know, they sent me a supplement and their supplements, but like then, you know, with the allergies, I was like allergic to every meat or something. Not allergic, but like it's that don't eat like red meat and don't eat turkey. I was like, Where did you like it's like yeah, I'm not I'm like not gonna go away from protein and become a vegetarian from their readout, you know?

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah, so did you you just did like an online one?

SPEAKER_03 26:18

It was Vyome, the Vyome's it's I I think like Tony Robbins talked about it, but he had he had like shares in it, and I think Dave Asprey talks about it, he has shares in it, so it's like you know, these biohackers who listen to you.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Yeah, yeah. I always say, unless you have someone sitting down with you going over the results and then walking you through a protocol, every person's so different. I don't have one client that has gone through the same exact thing. Yeah, and that's because every root cause is so different, everybody's past the trauma they've went been through, and like those all play a part in it. So it's like I would never go through a healing journey unless someone was walking.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

And how about peptides and gut health?

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Yeah, I love peptides. Um, I feel like it's getting to a scary place. People can buy them in the gray market, and it's like a lot of them aren't great for you. But I think if you're getting them from a good place, they're I think they're gonna change the health world for sure.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

Well, the FDA just um, you know, they're gonna put the 19 back so you can be able to use them, which is it's really big. And I, you know, I didn't I didn't see some of the ones that I like on there, but um just uh I I don't think CJC Ipamorlin was on there or Tesamorlin. Well Tesla Morelin I think was never put on category two because um it's already FDA approved. Yeah. Uh so I don't I don't think it was ever take taken or put as a category two. Um so CJC was like I don't know, I quickly browsed through the article about it, but I I don't know if they um put CJC of Pemorin on there. So any peptides you like in particular?

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Yeah, I love KPV. Um great for gut health, great for inflammation and autoimmune. I've been taking that one for a while. And then I also love the BPC 157, um, especially where I'm in like the gut health world, it really does make a huge difference, especially for the clients that have extreme cases that like you can't get the inflammation to buzz budge. Um, that's where peptides have like honestly been a game changer. And I think for autoimmune for PCOS, like they are really changing a lot of people's lives.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Yeah, so like the ultimate gut repair has the BPC, thymus and beta four, and then it has liracide and KPV. And um, yeah, that's I I do that like for a month, like four times a year, three or four times a year, yeah. Uh to kind of clean everything up. Um, I think it definitely helps up out. Like my wife, once she started taking um BPC, uh, she said like most of her heartburn and stuff that she used to get, all that goes away. So, you know, this could be it could take a lot of big pharma away uh with uh simple things that are much cheaper than all these medications that people take and much safer for them.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, no, I I totally agree. And I think that they got a really bad rep. I think like people are so quick to judge as like quick fixes, but in reality, they've been around for um a while and a lot of people like they just haven't really been talked about. So I think people need to do their digging because they really are gonna change health.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Yeah, I noticed when uh whenever I'm on the Wolverine stack with the BPC TV forward, like I I have sebarried dermatitis, you can see my ration, like when when I have a lot of stress and stuff, you'll see it flamed up. But like anytime I take like a month of that, I notice my skin gets a lot better too.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Are you guys taking the oral or are you?

SPEAKER_03 30:00

I take the oral.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

I do both. Um right now it's the oral, but like I'll cycle BP, you know, if I feel like I need something stronger. But like I I like to do the oral and then I'll cycle, I'll take a month off or two months off. Not that you need to and then do injectable form for a few months. So how about you?

SPEAKER_01 30:24

I do injectables. I think where I've had so many gut issues in the past, I it's a like to trust your gut to digest it, especially if you have a compromised gut. I think injectables is a great place to start there and then kind of moving to the oral form. But if you have a compromised gut, like you want to take away a lot of pressure on it that you can. And so the injectables is gonna be like your fastest way to kind of get that with that.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

What's your thoughts on the trends towards GLP ones?

SPEAKER_01 30:52

I love them. I think if they're used in the right way, I think they get a really bad rep because people think they are quick fixes, but they really are helping so many women that have PCOS and have this blood sugar dysregulation. I always say the number one thing with PCOS to heal your symptoms is to regulate your blood sugar. Yeah. And where that can go in and do it for you instantly, it really is changing a lot of people's lives. And I think it should be something that a lot of people with PCOS should take.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Yeah, and we we have we have a tough time like with the PCOS patients, like talking them into this is yeah, they're they're so scared to take it, and it's so good for them. Um and they're just like, I'm like, no matter like you tell them all the benefits that they can get, um, especially with their PCOS symptoms and just overall quality of life, and like they still don't want to take it, you know, uh kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

I think it's the rep that it gets. I think there's so much judgment around girls, especially young girls, because it's instantly like, oh, you just want to lose weight or you just want to get skinny. And I think that there's so much more to it than that. And I also think that's great. If like it's giving you your confidence back, who's to judge something like that.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Especially for PCOS. PCOS, although, you know, like for us that we see PCOS and we know what it looks can look like at its worst, and you know, like I feel bad for the people because like it just builds this body habit. So you have like no confidence in yourself and like you can't lose weight and your hormones are out of whack and you just feel terrible. Like, you know, it there's something that could help you out. But like some people with PCOS could even look healthy, but they're not.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, I think that's the number one thing is people will look at you and be like, but you're healthy. But it's like inside you feel miserable. Imagine getting attacked from every aspect of your life, gaining weight, having acne, losing hair, having a horrible mood. Like it's and it feels so out of control. When I had PCOS, I always said it felt like I was living in a body that wasn't mine. I'd look in the mirror and I like wouldn't recognize myself because it can turn on and flip a switch and like overnight I said I like gained 30 pounds. Yeah. And it was insane. And I felt so out of control. I was so healthy. So it was like, what else can I do to no longer deal with these symptoms? And I think, you know, a lot of it is getting it to calm down and then putting the habits in place to then no longer deal with PCOS in the future. But it's like to get those habits in replace and get your body to respond can take a while. So having the GLP1 to like really help you get there right away, it's so useful.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Yeah. Some people are skinny shaming now.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Yeah, it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

So um so what's your GLP one of choice, would you say?

SPEAKER_01 33:42

I like trzepatide.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Um, I think that reditrutide, I haven't done my like research on it as much, but I feel like for PCOS girls, if you're already on trzepatide, switching to reditude, it's like they're not seeing the best benefits with it just because it's not as um potent, I would say.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

But that's kind of where I I I think with PCOS, like if if you blend some of them, I think you have a much better response than doing them alone. Although there's no like real people just do like terzeptide like in between and middle of the week as they do red at trutide. But you know, I've read like some people having great results with even the mix of semaglutide and uh terzeptide together because the terzeptide it acts on GLP1, but it's not as strong actor on GLP1 as semaglutide is. Okay. Um, it's more um, but the terzeptide is more active on the GIP receptors, uh, which it's a hundred percent effective versus the semaglutide. I think it's like 50 or 75 percent effective on uh the GLP1 or terzeptide is on the GLP1 receptor.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Yeah, I've seen a lot less symptoms with the terzeptide than the semiglutide, which is why I think I kind of went that route if I ever recommend it.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

Yeah, most people do. And the weight loss is much better with the terzeptide. Yeah. And and with the mix, I've tried I've tried everything. So with the with the two mixes, like some of it can like semiglutide, terzeptide together. Um, you definitely feel it's quite strong. Um of course, dose dependent, but don't dose for dose, I think it like at much lower doses you of terzeptide or semiglutide in the blend, uh, you'll get the same results at like some higher doses with terzeptide.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:46

Retitrutide, like, I don't feel that it controls hunger the same way as others. But like, I don't gain weight. Like um, I don't lose muscle, I don't gain weight. So that's where like retitrutide, I I think is gonna be the big one that's gonna come out. It's just gonna make you more metabolic metabolically active, and you're not gonna lose the muscle and uh bone mass.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

What additional receptors is retitruitide?

SPEAKER_03 36:18

It works on glucagon.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Yeah, yeah. You're gonna make me want to try it.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

Oh, it I I think it's the best thing out there. Yeah, like uh I started three, four months ago. Um, and like I I think it's a it's the best thing. And like you like with terzeptide, like once in a while I would get like my stomach would feel like pretty stiff with reditrutide. You almost don't feel like you're on a GLP one, but like you don't, you know, the your thought process about foods still pretty good. Um I think one of the one of the big things is also like uh I love taking is adrenal cortex because I think like especially with with us like being physicians or anyone that's in high stress, yeah, like you burn out your cortisol, and especially like being wild kids early on, like through your college years and 20s and 30s, and then just med school itself, it's like such high stress. You're always at high cortisol levels. So your adrenals are, and we drank tons of coffee, your adrenals aren't going to be functioning that well. Like you need that additional adrenal gland to kind of boost your hormones up, repair like what you need, not boost like cortisol up, but uh just your adrenal gland so you can kind of repair and it I think it helps a lot with like an afternoon cravings and stuff too.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

So yeah, I actually had adrenal-based PCOS, so it was caused by stress. Um, but stress can look like so many different things. I think a lot of people don't realize that. Like it can be the food you're eating, the inflammation, like the way your brain thinks, all of it. And so I um really focus on the adrenals. I love them.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

What else you got?

SPEAKER_03 38:15

I don't know. I'm like going on three hours of sleep. The Tokyo trips just kicking my ass.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

So jet lagged and you've been worried.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

Well, it's like I nap for like an hour. Like I'll go home, I'll like be dead asleep from like 8 30 to 9 30, and then be completely awake till like yeah, two in the morning or three in the morning. And then I gotta be up at 5 30, and I'm like, oh man, gotta gotta get some.

SPEAKER_04 38:41

It's a long day.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, came back two days ago. Um, have the other thing I just started taking, and I don't know, I was like, I was new things.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

I every week we have one to seven of them.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Yeah, it's like, you know, I get on this Zoom scroll and I'm like, you know, I I didn't believe in colostrum. I was like, uh, colostrum, whatever. But like before I went on this trip, I'm like, fuck, I like every trip we've been on, like either I've gone sick or the kids have gone sick. I was like, I can't take an another long trip and just catch something on my flight there. And I I got sick like last month sometime. I like fever, chills, um, just felt like crap. And I got on colostrum two weeks before I went on the trip. I was the only one in our family that didn't get sick.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

And my son was pretty much coughing in my face uh when we were sleeping because he was in our bed and he was the worst one. But my wife's got it pretty bad now. But yeah, like I I think I don't know. I think the colostrum, huh? Why don't you have her take it? It's oral. I don't, yeah, she doesn't like taking pills. Yeah. Oh, you take a pill version? Yeah, I should just mix it into her morning coffee.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

I always rec there and they're like flavored good, if you get any kind. Yeah. But uh the immunogloblobulants, like I always recommend that to my patients when they're traveling because it's your gut immune system.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

And so I even when you're going through healing protocol, I put every single one of my clients on it because it's like having a good immune system in your gut is going to help your gut fight off ever getting infections or sickness.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

Yeah, I have both forms of it. I have the pill form and I bought powder form too. But uh I just take the pills are so easy. They're so easy, yeah. So how does it mix? Like, I haven't used the powder form yet. Does it mix pretty easily?

SPEAKER_01 40:34

Yeah, I like put it in my morning water. So my first big jug of like hydro jug water, 40 ounces. I put so many things in there, like um agglutamine, colostrum, aloe vera, and it's like it just tastes, it doesn't taste grainy, just tastes like water.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

Yeah. No, we we made a supplement, we're supposed to release it. It's been a while, but we we put a lot of stuff in there, and like I pretty much take uh two-liter gall two-liter jug of water and I dump that in, and it doesn't have enough creatine for what I want, so I add another 10 of creatine in there uh to uh just get the appropriate blend. And it's pretty much a multivitamin, but it's got tons of other nutrients. Um and it definitely like spirulina that's in there, we put a high dose in there. I think that really helps with the gut health. Yeah. And yeah, when I was away, I didn't feel it as much because I didn't take the powder with me. But when I and I took the rest of my supplements, but like when I got back, like just getting back on it, I feel a ton better.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Yeah, I call it my um loaded water, my loaded health gut health water. And I put every single person on it because it's like getting those, especially first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Yeah, not only if you put things in there that hydrates you, like that's so good to replenish your body, but also gut health and like keeping up with it. I feel like gut health is a maintenance thing. Yes, you can go through healing protocol, but you can't go right back to treating it horrible. Yeah. Um, and it's like a great way to get everything in.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Yeah. Anything else? You want plug your Instagram, TikTok? What do you all think about?

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Yeah, you can find me um Jordan Cruise Wellness on Instagram, also website, and then TikTok is just Jordan Cruise. Okay. Um, and that's where all my health stuff is.

Meal Prep, Seed Oils, And 80/20

SPEAKER_03 42:17

Awesome. Is there a meal prep place that you like or no?

SPEAKER_01 42:23

I was just doing my research on this because I want to find one in Arizona.

SPEAKER_03 42:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Um, but I haven't yet found one. And I'm so particular about what's in my food that like I really need to do my research.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Yeah, because I like every few months I'm looking for a new one. So because you know, you get you just get tired of it. Like I did methodology, I did Saqara. Saccara was good, but it's like there's no meat in it, so it's like it's almost like being vegan. So I'd have to go and buy like high quality protein somewhere or like prep it myself. And it's pretty spicy too. Oh, yeah, it was like close to 500 bucks a week.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Uh it's like for meals for this bowl of like just mixed greens. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

Yeah, and it's very colorful, it's tasty, but some of it, you know, becomes uh and then methodology. I get like now, I find out it's not like all that organic, it's more performance-based, high protein, but they put way too much, I think, like pickled stuff or yeah, and so it kind of tastes weird, and like when if when you have it in the fridge for like a week, it kind of starts to build gas and weird stuff. And I'm always wondering like what that's gonna do your gut health and microbiome and everything. Fermenting. So in Arizona, um Eat Clean Phoenix has organic, grass fed, and uh like their stuff's good. You know, I went with the skinny version, but I'm I'm starting to change. Over to the non-skinny version. So the skinny version, everyone changes rice for cauliflower rice. And I think cauliflower rice is disgusting. Like if you eat it on the first day, it's fine. After that, it's almost like it smells rotten and it tastes weird. I'm like, I'll just order regular rice, just eat less of it, you know, um, instead of like getting the cauliflower rice and like your taste buds go bad.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

Yeah, and I think carbs get such a bad rep. Like, really, carbs are so beneficial for our body. Yeah. And especially if you already have a whole side of veggies, like you don't need to throw cauliflower. Like, that's way too much for one meal, I always say. And especially as a woman, like carbs are for your hormones, like they are so beneficial that I would always get rice over cauliflower.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Cauliflower is not really beneficial at all, right? It doesn't have any nutrients, like a leaf of lettuce.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

Yeah. It's mostly water content.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

Yeah. So I that that's the switch I made was I was like, I'll just eat half the serving of the rice instead of getting cauliflower rice, so I don't have to deal with that smell and the taste. It always like Especially after a couple days, and then it tastes like rotten, and you're like, Oh, I got this for smell another two days. Yeah. Yeah, you're like afraid to open the box. But eat eat Clean Phoenix has good food. I I like their parfait. They have like these protein parfaits that are freaking phenomenal, and they have like 30 plus grams of protein and like 10, 15 grams of um carbs and plenty of healthy fats, and they taste great. Uh, and all their stuff's organic, well, very well done and made. There's a few other ones that popped up, but like I can't find like how organic they are or how they're cooked.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

I just found one last night that I really liked, and it was um Whole Foods, grade A, grass-fed finished, um, but they were gluten-free, dairy-free as well, which I feel like is kind of hard to find in a lot of these. Um, and then she was also still very small, which I I think I like the feeling of that because it's like she has like she shares a story and like the reasoning behind it. And I feel like a lot of people they'll say things are organic, but then like fill it with seed oils or like things like that, or like not the best version of it. Um, and so food is like the number one thing to spend your money on.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

Like it's very yeah, there's one lady that does the Arizona Diamond, a few of the Arizona Diamondbacks players, and uh she does a good job. We're actually gonna have her as like cater one of our parties. Um she's very good. I forget her name. Um, I follow her on Instagram, but she's good. There, there's a couple of other ones um out there. There was one that they said is all organic. Um the one I wanted to try was like there's this halal one that I was like, all right, halal's healthy, and then I read their ingredients and they the rest of the meal is made with shit. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, you know, I'm like, shit, you have halal meat, and the food looks tasty, but you're putting all this, you're cooking with vegetable oil.

SPEAKER_01 47:05

I'm like, come on, yeah, like seed oil is the number one thing. Yeah, like I forgot to mention that, but it'll drive up so much inflammation in your body.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

Yeah. One of the ones that always pops up is trifecta. And I think I ate two of those meals, and I'm not the type, you know, like I like to be healthy, but I'm not the type to be like, I'm putting this food in my body for, you know, I just can't eat it.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

It's like sponsorship opportunities less than that.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

Yeah, like trifecta is like, yeah, it's the foods, uh like it has no flavor, it's like very bland, and I can I just can't do that. Yeah. Um, and like some of the national ones, like you know, factor factor's a really tasty one with lots of protein. Yeah, but you always gotta look at sodium content in some of these meals. Some of them have like three days worth of sodium.

SPEAKER_01 48:01

Yeah, I'm not a fan of factor. I did my deep dive on it. I feel like it's very popular, yeah, but not the best for gut health.

SPEAKER_03 48:08

Yeah, yeah, because like they they put it out there as you know, like grass-fed, and one once you read in between the lines, it's not all organic and grass fed. So um, although you don't need to be 100%, but most of your products should be.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

I always say 8020. I think you have to have fun in life, you have to go out to eat and do the things, but when you can control it at home, like that's where it's really gonna matter with your health.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Yeah.