Your Music Choices Quietly Rewrite Your Health

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You had a pretty interesting journey into how you got into becoming an acropath, correct?

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Yeah, yeah.

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You were in TV.

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I was in the television business.

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Yeah.

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I had my own talk shows and I was an anchor and did that, but I was always interested in science.

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And then long story short, um, family having some things, and I said, there's got to be a better way.

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I was always interested in surgery.

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I said, if I was gonna do an allopathic route, it would be surgery that makes sense when it's needed, it's needed, right?

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Um otherwise the chronic degenerative were failing, it's a miserable failure.

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But when I knew there was a license to do both, to be able to prescribe and look and do minor surgeries and these things, I said, okay, this is where I want to want to sit.

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So and then I knew from day one though that I always wanted to get back to the public to be able to say, let me put this in terms you can hear.

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Isn't that opposite like allopathic and surgery?

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I know there's some um I don't know, but naturopathic surgery you're talking about.

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Well it's it's a bridge, yeah.

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So it it's a bridge of it's good science and good medicine is good medicine.

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I don't care what type of physician you are, how you were trained, good medicine's good medicine, a good science.

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There's a time and a place for surgery, there's time and a place for chemo.

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You're thinking differently.

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You're thinking holistic versus allopathic.

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So naturopathic isn't exactly holistic.

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So let's describe, I think there's always this semantics that we all struggle with, right?

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Holistic, people think of that as that homeopathy, and people say, whatever that is, right?

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It's a whole system in itself.

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Holistic means you're looking at the whole person, the whole body, everything.

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You're not just a specialist looking at one section, you're looking at all of it.

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But naturopathic medical doctors, like in Arizona where I'm licensed, we're licensed in both systems of medicine.

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So we're trained to do minor surgery, we can prescribe medicine, so we're trained to think allopathically or conventional medicine, look at the science, look at this, but we're also trained in guess what's over here?

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Clinical nutrition, botanical medicines, uh Chinese medicine.

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We know we're licensed in these things and know this side so that we get to say, okay, let's look at the whole picture.

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It's not either or.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it definitely isn't either or.

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Yeah.

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You have to combine them.

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But we lean more when we can toward natural.

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First, let's see if we can do something with diet and lifestyle as we were talking.

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How much can you get there?

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Uh but I like to cut.

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Yeah.

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Well, I did you I was known I was known as the needle queen.

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I was doing prolo and platelet before anybody was talking about it, right?

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So I like the the procedures as well, but I don't do that anymore.

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I'm just working with my oncology patients.

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Uh so you don't do the injections there?

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I don't anymore.

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I taught it.

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We did it for years.

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There's a group of us that taught this around the United States, and we taught enough of them.

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Those people know how to do it now.

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Yeah.

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Like, go go do it.

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Um, I'm more education now.

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Okay.

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All right, cool.

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Especially with oncology, with the metabolic therapies, hyperbaric keto, the repurposed drugs.

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Yeah.

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So one of my questions was like, if you were to run a wellness center, what are your top, like either you can call them biohacking or what what things should you have in a wellness clinic?

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Yeah, if you look, everybody's got the same stuff going now, right?

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Everybody's doing the same IVs, same things that we as nature paths have been doing a long time.

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But but it's it's great and trying to keep up with the latest and greatest.

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My issue is is that I think that if you're going to be on that gray area or something that's not quite there, become a research center or at least do be doing research on what you're doing.

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So you're collecting the data and you know you're keeping people safe.

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So that's my thing.

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I had a group, um, you guys probably know Dr.

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Paul Nassif from Botch.

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Paul's a good friend.

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Yeah.

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Ian um the chair of Cedar Sinai Cardiology uh came to me and they said, this has been a few years ago, and they said we need to do a longevity clinic.

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And I said, Well, first of all, let's call it mitoclinics, and I trademarked that because we're addressing the mitochondria.

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So anything that addresses mitochondria.

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Yeah.

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So that's your diet, your lifestyle, certain supplements.

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Yeah, those are basics to me.

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Yeah.

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And then you got to address the stress, which I know nothing better than music.

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Yeah.

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You got to talk to Barry about that in a minute.

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To get people into a brain and heart entrainment where we can get that stress under control because some of the most stressed people I know are the buyer hackers.

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Oh, yeah.

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I had one in my office today.

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You guys would love it.

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Fit guy, I mean, on it, on it.

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Worries about answers.

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Oh yeah.

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More is better than it's a good thing.

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How to do better.

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But like, yeah, but but it's yeah, like I when I first started getting into it, and like, you know, you you read the different books, and I'm like, this just seems like too much.

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And then like it was too much.

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And you're like, all right, how like as a surgeon, I don't have time to do like any of that.

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It's a different way for different people to enter that.

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Definitely state.

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I'm like, I'd rather sleep than do a three-hour morning routine.

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And you know, sleep's probably more restorative and better anyway.

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Yeah.

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So yeah.

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And I was gonna say music, you know, it's never thought of as a biohack, but it's one of the oldest biohacks that we have.

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Yes.

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If you go back to Chinese medicine, even in the symbol of Chinese medicine, the symbol of music is within that.

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Yeah.

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Unless it's nickel back, then it's the opposite.

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Well, if it brings joy, that's that's healing too.

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We we we did um I actually did the did a sound session with my wife with the sound bowls.

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Yeah, yeah.

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One of the resorts here last weekend.

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And and she was like, okay, if you don't want it to be too intense, have your head this way.

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I was like, oh no, I want my face right next to the bowls.

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It got so loud, and it was it too much.

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It's not too much.

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For me, this is like exactly what I want.

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Uh I was like, last time I did it, I fell into a trance, literally.

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I fell into a trance, fell asleep, and like fell over.

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And I was like, I I I want everything I felt that last time.

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My wife's like complete office, like, I want to be propped up, and it would be nice to hear that.

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And it was still too loud for her with the bulls, everybody's but I was just like, my get me into deeper trance, deeper trance listening.

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You probably like staying in front of the sub offers at the club, too.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Kind of, kinda, kinda.

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It matters like how uh how it makes you feel, right?

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Exactly.

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And some people want to feel it more than and I think that's uh something that's not normally talked about, like within within non-invasive type treatments, right?

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And biohacking within music and frequency and vibration.

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It's the same thing, like we're not talking about dosage, uh, each person is individual, and the dosage matters for it to be take you to the place you want to go.

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You want to move into parasympathetic.

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You're gonna have a different way that you receive the music than your wife does.

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So her dosage is gonna be different than yours.

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And but we don't talk about dosage and music.

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So the vibration.

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There you go.

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So there is different that this different sensory, um, like whether it's like visual or auditory or sensory.

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Um, it and I was just like, okay, this just she wouldn't like this.

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I want this to be as an intense thing, like let me lay it my head next to your sound bowl.

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And it it's not really that loud if you have your eyes open, if you close your eyes.

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Oh my god, that's the loudest thing.

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Well, yeah, because your your brain waves are slower.

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As soon as you slow your eyes, you're moving into an alpha state.

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So you're you're hearing things differently and receiving it in your body differently as well.

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And you're producing different hormones.

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You know, if she's stressed out, right, she's gonna be producing cortisol.

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If you're relaxed, you're gonna be moving into producing less of that and possibly producing dopamine.

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So the emotional aspects have an effect on your physical pharmacy.

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And even going back to nickelback, you know, when you're talking about talking about nickelback.

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Here's something interesting, though.

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So they did studies of people in psychosis, yeah, right, and they couldn't listen to relaxing music and slow their brain waves down.

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It's too far apart.

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Too far apart.

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They're in high beta brainwaves, and they're trying to get them down to a very slower brainwave state.

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So they have to.

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Have that he's in psychosis?

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That's why you can't.

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You can't do that with music in the Nickelback and Noah.

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It's preferred music, so it's their preferred music that took place out of that.

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Yeah, I have more and more research on preferred music.

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Yeah, preferred music rather than like certain types of music.

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That's right.

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Yeah, and working out as well.

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You know, same same thing.

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They're showing recoveries is higher when you're listening to the music that you like, not just the music that's going on in your gym.

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Yeah.

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So no more nickelbag.

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Well, I I use I use what's the visor, the headpiece that I don't know.

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You have so much um brain tap.

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I was gonna say I love I love brain tapping.

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Yeah, brain tap works great.

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And then um I also got this new thing, Neurovisor, which plays a light show, and you like it gets you into a trance.

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And seriously, it's like, you know, the stuff that they say is gonna give you energy.

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It does give you energy and you're like awake and like changes your whole thought process.

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And I I always talk about it because I think it's a great way if you don't know how to meditate or get or have time for it.

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I think it's a great way to just kick your way in there.

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Yeah, trying to get those brain waves to change though, watching it on EEGs, yeah, watching the science.

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The fastest way I've seen is with music.

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Yeah, it changes because everything else you have to think through.

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Yeah, even your thinking, is this working on the music immediately takes you there.

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Yeah.

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So it's it's amazing because we are frequency beings.

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I mean, we know we all vibrate at different frequencies.

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We just are.

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Yeah, we're not just this uh physical bag that we see here, right?

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So that's how we met.

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We actually met through uh physical bags.

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I was gonna say, did we?

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I'm like, I don't remember that through what?

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Through physical.

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Frequency dating.

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It should have been dating.

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Someone uh you well, you tell the story.

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That's all right.

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I was just in an airport and I was talking about um cold lasers.

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I was I used to teach a lot of frequency-based medicine.

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Yeah, right.

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So I'm saying 16 Hertz for you know muscle retraction.

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I was given in a protocol to somebody, and somebody heard me on the phone talking about frequency and hertz, and she said, I've got to tell you about this musician because he opens up for Wayne Dyer, his music is used in hospitals, he's written a book, blah, blah, blah.

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And his music has been proven to be changing these frequencies and branding.

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So, anyway, that's how we met.

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Long story short.

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She introduced me to that gal introduced a couple years later.

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Two years later we met.

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So, what do you play?

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Uh, so I my main instrument started off as guitar, and actually, I was uh rock musician, hip hop, club music, New York City producer.

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So I was not expecting to move into this area, you know.

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What if I say um, you know, the thousands of people every night sleep with Barry Goldstein, you know, because it's true, like people are using my music.

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Yeah, I sleep with Barry Goldstein as is my uh is my funny.

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But they didn't get it.

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Yeah, literally, I got burnt out in the music business.

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Yeah.

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And I said, How do I get back to falling back in love with music again?

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Did some research and found like targeting the heart at a relaxed state, which is about 60 beats per minute.

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This was like almost 30 years ago now.

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They weren't really talking about heart entrainment or coherence back then.

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Yeah.

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And I said, What would happen if I just allowed myself to just take the journey, set my metronome like a DJ, because I I worked with DJs, I know the beats per minute.

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I'll set it for 60 beats per minute, and didn't think anyone was gonna listen to this type of music.

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The opposite of what I was doing, yeah, right, which was you had to have a hook, a chorus, you know, three minutes music, and you know, people have to be able to hum it.

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It was like the opposite of that, and just um, you know, started sharing it with with friends and family initially, and just found a a lot of people being able to use it in a dentist's office, yeah, for parents in hospice, and that made me want to research it more of like, okay, I know it's working, but why why is it working?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And um we now we now know now that when you move into these smooth and orderly heart rhythms, when you're in training, so you have a physical um metronome, which is our heart, obviously, yeah, it adapts to the tempo of the music.

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Just like when you work out, you listen to faster music, when you want to relax, you listen to slower music.

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This is called entrainment.

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And when you move into those smooth and orderly rhythms, we uh now know as well that the your brain waves start slowing down in conjunction.

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So there's a relationship between heart coherence and brain coherence.

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Yeah, and it's becoming much um much more exciting in terms of a new field that's called neurocardiology, yeah, where they're linking the two together and knowing they affect each other.

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And I think that's really the next step of where it's going in my world.

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Yeah.

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Because also in the that longevity and biohacking community, we're also looking for like panaceas, and this is gonna fix this.

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Biohacking the brain.

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Or biohacking the brain.

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Or even help.

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Yeah, just yeah, but again, it's it's it is individualized medicine.

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It's not just use this frequency for that use, for that.

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There's a lot more than that.

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Yeah, and it's geared towards your preferences, specific tempos, specific harmonics.

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It all kind of has to happen.

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Specific tones, beats, there's people are gonna respond to different things, and there's there's some ways, like even a lazy person will respond to a certain beat a certain way that like another person wouldn't.

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Do you think some of these, but like some of these DJs just have like I don't know if it's emotional intelligence or music intelligence, because like you see it, like some DJs they can't get anyone on a rhythm, and then some of them they're like every step of the way, they they get a rise and they make the people fall.

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And that's a great uh great analogy.

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It matters how many how much drugs the audience is on.

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Yeah, well that too, but but yeah, but you can get there without it.

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But that's what I call becoming the DJ of your life because just like everything else, you were talking about you need a program in place that people can adapt to, right?

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And a way to manage and navigate their energy.

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Yeah, so it's not just random experiences where you have that like you're laying down for the sound bath.

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What would happen if you decided to use some of that for sleep?

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Like I was listening to one of your shows, which one of you guys has problems sleeping?

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Or was it a I don't, I just I just use different ways to like and I've got pretty good control of it.

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But I I found that like you know, if I'm not on some peptides that are growth hormone peptides, it definitely reduces how much I I get deep sleep.

00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.000
So and I track everything, so I'm like pretty on top of it.

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I got up today, like eight hours 30 minutes of sleep, which is rare.

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That's right.

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Like I I usually get up at like six and a half to seven hours.

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Like today I was like right when I got up, I I knew I got like a lot of sleep because the like the sun was shining.

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But I just like I got a lot of sleep.

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I feel really good.

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But like that one the the sad part is like that one day of or it over eight hours of sleep, I feel like that that's replenished me for the week.

00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:52.559
But uh it it's I need to hit that one hour mark of deep sleep.

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I know if I hit that one hour mark of deep sleep, I'm like I want to hit the snooze button in the morning.

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Right.

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So like once I cross that path, I'm like, even if it's three in the morning, once I hit that one hour, I'm like, shit, it's gonna be tough to get out of here.

00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:13.759
You know, I want you I I would challenge you to not just look at your wearables, yeah, but how do you feel?

00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:21.920
Like you're saying and really make that because there have been FTC and FDA actions against a lot of the wearables because they're not as accurate as we think they are.

00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.000
Oh, and they give you permission.

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I mean, they give they you start looking at trends and you go, okay, this makes sense.

00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:33.279
But I know people that think if that says this, yeah, no matter what I'm feeling, that's gotta be right.

00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.000
No, I not necessarily always be listening to the box.

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Not just for like wearables, what we're talking about.

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It's like what we're we're taught to like think of certain measurements mean certain things, like it happens a lot, even laps and stuff, it's like it's just a marker.

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You that stuff changes day to day, and yeah, like wearable anxiety, like people, you know, like that's the thing, you know.

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It's like it's a real thing.

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My my main thing is if you know, like if I don't hit that one hour deep sleep and it shows it, I'm like, I know why I feel verification of it.

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But like but like I'm like, oh, I've really like sucked that sleep in tonight.

00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:28.319
You know, I gotta do something either I never get nap time during the ass time.

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You didn't get enough sleep last night.

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You know you're gonna tell I didn't get nap time.

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Even if your marker told you you got more than an hour, like I know you got less than acting like a jerk.

00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:42.720
You heard it here.

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That's the that is the key.

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Stop being an asshole.

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Yeah.

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Because I think we have to ask ourselves why do we want to live longer?

00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:51.039
Yeah, right?

00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.559
If you just want to live longer to be an asshole for another 20 years, yeah.

00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:57.279
Like look at Brian Johnson.

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Actually, like, it's a good idea.

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I mean, like, and and a lot of it, like we speak about just look at Brian Johnson.

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I like who looks at that guy and is like, I want to live longer like that guy.

00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:18.240
Like, I want eight years subtracted to live miserably and take 300 pills and eat broccoli for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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MRI scans every morning.

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There's that joy factor too, like you want to enjoy your life while you're being here.

00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:25.440
Yeah, how are you?

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Oh, I want to bleed my kid and take their plasma.

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I don't know about you guys.

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And their fecal.

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I think you just should make a plastic.

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I think you should be making t-shirts.

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Like, these aren't good t-shirts.

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You know, don't be an asshole.

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I want my kids plasma.

00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:51.039
Yeah, more plasma.

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Those young cells are pretty kids, aren't they?

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Yeah, he does.

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Like, I agree with a lot of stuff he does and says, and I don't agree with everything, which is the polarizing world we're in, where it's like, oh, okay, you're you you're you're this or you're that.

00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:29.599
It's like, no, I I actually scientifically, some of the shit shit he's doing makes sense, but some of the stuff's like kind of bonkers, and he does look like a vampire, like he legit looks like a vampire.

00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:30.400
I don't know, yeah.

00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:30.880
Yeah, yeah.

00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.920
Like, what's that show in in the shadows?

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Oh, Barnabas Collins.

00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:37.440
Oh, yeah, Dark Shadows.

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Oh, Dark Shadows, yeah.

00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:39.920
No, he's talking about something different.

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Oh, okay.

00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:42.480
And you're aging yourself when you're talking about dark shadows.

00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:43.759
These guys don't even know what that is.

00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:45.519
You might be a vampire.

00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:46.559
Yeah, yeah.

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It's the guy germanium.

00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:56.079
Well, and the thing is, there's no one that can say when you stack all that stuff, how does it work together?

00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:57.200
Yeah, exactly.

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And then that person, yeah.

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We don't know.

00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:00.559
Yeah.

00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:05.279
So how can you that's where, like, yeah, that's where like your kids, bleed your kids.

00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.200
We don't know how things are going yet.

00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.240
So bleed your kids, take their That's the thing.

00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.119
That's that's always something that I'm like, all right.

00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:17.599
Like some people say you shouldn't stack this and this, but like, does it really make sense?

00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.319
There's certain things we know that don't do well together.

00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:21.359
You know, you can't do St.

00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:22.799
John's work with a lot of things.

00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:24.960
I mean, we know certain interactions, yeah.

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Others we have no clue.

00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.559
Yeah, and we certainly have no clue in you, yeah, or in you.

00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:31.920
How is that going to work?

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So I always say more's not better.

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I I I've got to have a real reason to put somebody on a supplement.

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Yeah.

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Then the next step is what is the quality of that supplement?

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Because that's a real hard problem.

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And here's the problem even if that supplement has a study behind it or has this, the testing that was done.

00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.920
I just had a conversation today with a group uh that we're looking at.

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When we double blind a lot of these health and wellness type functional medicine tests, that means you put the same patients, blood or whatever it is, saliva, same day, two different names, they better come back looking alike.

00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:06.079
They're not.

00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:06.640
Yeah.

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They're not.

00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:12.559
So how can we trust the science behind the things that we're taking if the labs are faulty?

00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:12.880
Yeah.

00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.440
So we're talking about we've got a lot of cleanup to do.

00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:15.680
Yeah.

00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:17.039
That's why I always go back.

00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:17.839
How do you feel?

00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:18.240
Yeah.

00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:18.960
How are you sleeping?

00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:19.680
How do you pooping?

00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:20.799
How do you, where's your energy?

00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:22.400
The basics, how's your cognition?

00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:23.359
How do you feel?

00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:24.799
Like how do you feel your cognition?

00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:27.519
Right.

00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:30.720
Right.

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Like exactly, exactly.

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Like that.

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Don't like don't do that.

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Yeah.

00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.799
Stop going to that same source.

00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:39.599
Yeah.

00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:44.799
So it was just that, you know, the the patient today, he doesn't have cancer.

00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:46.720
I've just, he's been a patient for a long time.

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Really a biohacker watching every marker, everything wants blood work all the time.

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.880
But yet his blood pressures still a little high.

00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.119
Yeah.

00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.119
Cortisol's still a little bit high.

00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.839
Um, you know, hemoglobin A1C, even, and he doesn't put anything in his body that would cause that.

00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:02.960
It's all stress related.

00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:03.359
Yeah.

00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.079
Because he's stressing over being so healthy and he knows it.

00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:08.000
We laugh about it and he's getting better.

00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:08.240
Yeah.

00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.680
Unless the ones in there playing the program.

00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.640
I mean, that's just let me soothe you.

00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:15.039
Yeah.

00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:21.519
And I mean, seriously though, most people are not looking at stress and how they're managing their stress during your day.

00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.359
Why aren't they getting sleep at night?

00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:23.599
Yeah.

00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:23.839
Yeah.

00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:24.079
Right.

00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.279
And how are they waking up in the morning?

00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:26.400
When your mind's racing.

00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:26.559
Yeah.

00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:27.200
Well, that's the thing.

00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:27.839
How are you, right?

00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:28.400
How do you turn it?

00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.160
You're not processing your day, right?

00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:34.160
Or you're not, and music can help you wind down to do that.

00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.519
And we're looking at our phones in high beta, right?

00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:39.279
Before we're going to sleep every night.

00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:44.160
Or you do you want to wind down for an hour and you know, listen to some music.

00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:45.759
My wife's gonna be sniffles.

00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:53.119
I have a head apparatus on like every night, and like don't comment myself going to sleep because doing breath work.

00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:54.160
It's better than a sleep pad.

00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:55.519
That's yeah, that's great.

00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:56.880
And I mean recovery too, right?

00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.079
I mean, sleep is one of the biggest things, even in athletes.

00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.640
Yeah, you know, if you want to look at how you're working out, that's great for peak performance.

00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:11.440
But we're knowing more and more that if you can get a half an hour more sleep, yeah, can you knock off a half a second at the finish line?

00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.759
And the type of and the type of sleep and the type of type of sleep.

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.200
Because if you're lying in bed, that doesn't mean much.

00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.480
Right actually asleep, yeah, like that.

00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:27.680
If you're going to sleep with those brainwaves fast and incoherent, all different space.

00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:31.200
If you're going to sleep like that, you can fall asleep, but you're still dreaming like that.

00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.680
You're not in this smooth, orderly rhythm.

00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:40.880
I'm telling you, today I got up and I looked at my I I knew I got good sleep.

00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:41.119
Yeah.

00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:49.440
It was just like it was like within like the first time in like two, three weeks, I was like, This is awesome.

00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.359
Like this is like I feel good.

00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.960
And I looked on the thing as like eight and a half hours of sleep.

00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.599
I was like, holy shit, that's good.

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.400
Two more hours than I'm what I'm used to.

00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:05.519
That's what what's that?

00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.559
But if you could do that every night, I didn't I yeah, could you accomplish it?

00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:10.720
Well, there you go.

00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:12.319
Start making connections, right?

00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:17.200
The the main connection for me and my sleep is drinking.

00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:29.920
If I have a single drink within three to five hours, like they say, like even Peter Atia said if you don't have a drink after five, you should be fine.

00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:34.799
Yeah, like I my last drink needs to be like 3 p.m.

00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.319
Yeah for it to make a difference.

00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:36.720
Yeah.

00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:42.160
So I I think for for me, it's not for everybody.

00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.279
Like I just need to cut out alcohol.

00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:52.480
Some of the guys don't want to like I I think they want to keep their fan base and they don't want to say don't drink at all.

00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.960
Because a lot of people have their glass of wine and they think it's healthy.

00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:01.599
So you I gotta you know they don't want to push it like for my sleep to be normal.

00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:08.000
Then I say you have an APO44 if you have that gene and you have family history of Alzheimer's, you have no business.

00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:08.799
It doesn't matter.

00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:15.279
If you're a human being, if you have 23 chromosomes, you're gonna get up at 3 a.m.

00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.519
That's true and not be able to fall back to sleep.

00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:18.160
That's true.

00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:19.839
Alcohol later can't do it.

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.240
And the older you get, the worse that all begins.

00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:23.279
That is very true.

00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.000
You cannot, when you were 18, you could probably do it.

00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:26.880
Yeah, right?

00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:30.960
But the older we get, um And now that I'm 19, it's a little dangerous.

00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:34.720
So just sleep through it.

00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.799
Yeah, I sleep through it, like I feel like shit.

00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.319
Let me just sleep some more.

00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:46.079
Now when you're over 40, you're like, um let me get up and it's not as competitive processing.

00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:52.079
Let me look at Instagram, let me look at like Chase account and all the responsibilities.

00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:57.440
So with that 8.5, like how does that how does that move into your day?

00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.319
Like, what changes in your day from getting more sleep?

00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:01.920
Are you do you have more energy?

00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:02.960
Do you feel more focused?

00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.079
Like does it ripple out?

00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:16.079
Today, today I felt like I've rolled out of bed and I was just like, anytime I wake up, I feel like I got cut short of sleep.

00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:23.759
That's just how I feel from from like being like 12 years old or however long I remember.

00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:32.799
But today I was just like, I feel like I wish I could get another hour's sleep, but I was like, I feel good.

00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:49.039
And I got up, did like a 40-minute like leg exercises, resistance training, um, which I've been better about, but like I I just didn't even question it today.

00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:50.960
I felt I felt really good.

00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.359
Why did you sleep better last night?

00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.279
Did you look back at your day and you're not even?

00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:56.160
I didn't drink as much.

00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.960
Okay, that was the only confounding factor you're drinking.

00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.279
Drinking every day, I have been.

00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:02.640
Okay, well, there okay.

00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:04.880
I drank less last night.

00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:05.759
That's great.

00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.039
Then you make the connection drinking a lot earlier.

00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:09.599
Earlier.

00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:10.240
Well, there you go.

00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.680
Like saying like four or five hours earlier.

00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.079
Yeah.

00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.440
That's how we learn.

00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:16.559
That's a biohack.

00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.400
That you say, for me, I can't, if I do this, this is what happens.

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:25.119
You got to make connections instead of just, oh great, I got a good night's sleep, felt great today, but why?

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:29.200
I also hate to admit that because it's like, okay, I'm an alcoholic.

00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:35.440
Because like my alcohol consumption is getting in the way of my like daily function.

00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:41.119
It really isn't, but it is getting in the way of my daily optimization.

00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:41.519
Yeah.

00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:51.200
Like I'm gonna skip this workout because I drank alcohol, I slept later, I didn't get up early enough to work out and stuff like that.

00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:52.240
Yeah, yeah.

00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.640
Well, that's what we're always doing, right?

00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.599
Yeah, it's making connections.

00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:58.559
What makes me feel better?

00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.400
I have been taking supplements.

00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.839
I I stopped taking, I stopped drinking like three years ago.

00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.839
I did plenty of damage in the earlier days.

00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.480
Yeah, I always thought he was a robot and now I'm convinced he is a robot.

00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.240
Like my brain functions at a big time to confirm this three years.

00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:19.680
When your brain functions at a different level, you're like, I don't want to go back to that, you know, even for a day.

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.000
I'm like good not to do it.

00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.920
Like, I I can't believe I keep reverting back to it.

00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:38.160
Yeah, it it's not it's not like stuff we we say people should never do, but it's like, okay, go ahead, play with it, yeah, and then come back to who you are.

00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:43.440
If it starts interfering with your daily life, yeah, your overall, then you say I've got a problem.

00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:49.680
I think I don't know, biohacking changes changes, I think the older you get too, and it changes in age.

00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.519
Like big time.

00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.119
Like I think about why do I want to live longer?

00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.839
Like as I get older and older, I'm moving more towards and it you be you.

00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:08.559
You it becomes very real when someone that you know is like 80, and you're like, wow, they're only 15 years older than me.

00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:09.200
Yeah.

00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:17.119
I start thinking, wow, I really want to work optimally, not just for my physical body, but for my mission, my purpose, my legacy.

00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.880
Like, what do I want to leave behind?

00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:19.200
Yeah.

00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:27.759
You start thinking at a different level from just the physical body of really why that's important to you to live longer.

00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:28.079
Yeah.

00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:37.599
You know, not just for measuring the things that we can see, but the things you that you can't see that you want to leave behind first for to leave your imprint.

00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.400
And that becomes more and more part of my biohacking.

00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.519
You're switching into like that like next stage.

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.880
I was talking to my friend.

00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:50.880
It's like, because I was at her friend's dad's funeral.

00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:55.200
Like, you know you're getting old when you're going to more funerals.

00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:55.920
Right.

00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:56.559
That's true.

00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:57.119
Oh, absolutely.

00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.720
But but let me bring up this the way we're supposed to age.00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.799


My dad is almost 92 years old.00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:03.519


That's awesome.00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.799


He golfs 18 holes about four days a week.00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.640


If he'd do more, if you get half the time, he dances almost every night and he goes to the gym and strength trains.00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.720


But he started to have some neurological shake about two years ago.00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.039


I saw it, it's not Parkinson's, but Parkinsonism.00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.680


This is the thing.00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:22.079


Yes.00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:23.119


He is very good.00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.200


But he went through a horrible divorce at 89 or something.00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:28.240


So here's the deal.00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.960


He does hyperbaric oxygen, ketogenic diet.00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.680


He strings trains, he does all these things, and he's got more.00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:35.519


We're living our lives through him vicariously.00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.279


He comes from stories and we take him somewhere he's got a date.00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:39.599


Literally.00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:40.079


Seriously.00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:40.640


Finds a couple of things.00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:42.319


Okay, go ahead.00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.799


But so what's his passion of purpose?00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:46.799


Ours is our work, all that.00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.400


His is he's just enjoying it.00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:53.599


That's what matters the most for everybody.00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:54.079


That's right.00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.200


Yeah, my dad walks like what five to ten miles a day.00:31:59.119 --> 00:31:59.359


That's right.00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.839


We used to live close to him, and he was just like, we see him walking in the neighborhood.00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:04.400


Yeah.00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.240


And and he saw us like going through his loop.00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:15.519


And Sarah, Ari, and I, my my daughter, wife, and I like stop and like, oh, this is dad.00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:16.799


Let's say hi to him.00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:17.200


That's right.00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.759


And all he does, like, just looks up.00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.440


Just like, okay, go ahead, go on.00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.279


I'm on my walk.00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:24.240


Don't interrupt.00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:25.839


Don't interrupt.00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:26.160


That's right.00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:27.680


Stop being an asshole.00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.279


This is my wife and kid.00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.039


He's got his priority.00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:31.599


This is my dad.00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.319


Get your priorities in.00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.359


He's like, I gotta get my steps.00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:35.279


I gotta get my steps in.00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:35.680


That's right.00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.640


You little assholes cannot get in the way of that.00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.200


But that's what keeps him ticking.00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:42.240


That's the thing.00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.119


Everybody's different.00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:44.640


What keeps you ticking?00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.720


And and we should age that way.00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:46.960


Yeah.00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.680


You know, I have 40-year-olds of them coming, oh, I've got aches and pains.00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:50.640


I'm just getting older.00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.000


I said, that is never an excuse.00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:52.319


No.00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:53.599


In my clinic, never an excuse.00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:54.720


I got a reason.00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:03.279


Dude, I have less pain and feel healthier right now at 45 than I was at 35.00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:14.720


Yeah, and I gotta tell you nothing is probably more of a symptom of slowing down and depression than it is an actual core problem.00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.440


Where like people are like, want to blame it on something.00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:31.359


And it's just like just stretch, just stretch every day, take a few more steps, take like 2,000 more steps a day, listen to more music.00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.599


Or like what's what's going to provide you joy?00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:50.079


These are more um more symptoms of depression than they are from you getting old, and people tend to put that into cycle and it gets out of control.00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:50.720


That's right.00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.960


You say, Why do you have that symptom?00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:53.920


What happened?00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:55.519


But if you keep asking, but why?00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.480


And they say, Well, my family had it, but why did your family have it?00:33:58.640 --> 00:33:59.200


Why why?00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.839


If you keep asking, it usually comes back to an emotional something that's attached to it.00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:04.720


It really does.00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:11.599


And until you get to that core root, uh you're dealing with symptoms, and we're probably all pretty good at deal helping people with their symptoms.00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.719


Feel better, look better, and ourselves too.00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.519


Right, but it's what's that core?00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:18.559


Yeah.00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:29.519


I had a patient today, I was just like the procedure will not help what you're feeling and what you see.00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:36.400


This is this is the last thing that could be done.00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:41.440


And I can do this procedure, I can take your money, but it's not gonna help you out.00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.960


It's not gonna help the way you feel about yourself.00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:53.679


So let's uh let's work on that and let's see how we can like what was the procedure facelift.00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:55.519


You know what?00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.639


And I would I just I love that, and that's a good doctor.00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.280


But that's a good honest doctor, right?00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.400


And I have friends, they've had three or four facelifts, you know.00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.840


I mean, I'd like to have I'd like, but I'm just for me, I'm just like, no, I've got my purpose and my position.00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.519


Like I had a patient, she came and asked me, she's like, My friends say I shouldn't change my face.00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:16.719


I'm okay with it.00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:17.840


I'm like, what do you want?00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:19.280


Yeah, I'm like, what do you want?00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:25.199


You you obviously came in here because there was something that you didn't like in your mirror.00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.800


Yeah, so you're here.00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.360


It doesn't matter what your friends are saying, that's right.00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.400


It's because if your friends had the chance to do it, they'd probably go and do it too.00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:38.639


Yeah, but they they can't get it done, so they don't want you to get it done.00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:44.320


You know, sitting on the naturopathic medical aesthetic board, yes, I was on there because I studied in France.00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:50.480


It was the mesotherapy and all that, just you know, the mechanical damage that you can do that help the body build some collagen.00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:55.360


But you know, it was funny because some patients you could do one little tweak and they're happy.00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:56.159


Thank you so much.00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.800


Life has changed, they feel better and it makes them better.00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:05.760


Yeah, but then others, no matter what how much you do, yeah, how much good work, they're not happy, they're never gonna be happy because it's inside.00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.199


Yeah, they're not, they don't like who they are, no matter how good you make them look.00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.079


That's that's how that's how we decide patients.00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:16.480


Yeah, it's like, are they surgical candidates or not?00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.880


Is are they gonna be happy if we really think they're not?00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:26.480


Like it doesn't matter what you do, you do the best facelift, that's right, best rhinoplasty, the best boot job.00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.679


You gotta look at their motivation, what their motivation is.00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:35.760


Yeah, and it's gotta be their motivation, not someone else's motivation, their husband or someone else's I want you to have this.00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.639


They're recently divorced, or you know, they think that's right, minor is gonna make it.00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:58.079


Yeah, but anytime like you were saying, like they come in, they're like, my friend said they they can't do this or can't do that, is like my thing I hold inside and not say out loud is like, well, your friend's clearly ugly.00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.000


Right, right.00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.159


We can't post that one.00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.840


The things you can't say, but you want to, inner thoughts and outer thoughts.00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.599


But you know what?00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:17.920


You guys it's refreshing to hear you though, because there are many people in the aesthetic world that would take any and all comers, take the money, hope they don't come out of the way.00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:33.440


But the aesthetics is like, you know, like I've always like when people like tell me they put more than two syringes of filler in anyone, I cringe and I'm like, How do you fill that?00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:59.840


Like, how I'm like, you know, and they're doing a face, they have no contour to their face, they're doing 10, 12 syringes, and I'm like, you might save like that lady, you might save her from getting injected by the wrong people, yeah, saying they're gonna do a liquid facelift, them injecting 10 vials that only maybe last two years, at most, at most, and then they're they're back doing it again, and it it's just making them look worse and worse.00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.920


So sometimes you can give them the natural look with a facelift.00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:05.440


Yeah, that's right.00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.079


But like, no, no, you probably made the right decision.00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:16.719


I'm just saying, just in general, these days it's like move to and I I tell them PR I'm more into PRP and fat grafting and stuff.00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:18.159


Stuff that's natural.00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.960


Yeah, oh yeah, there's yeah, yeah.00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:33.760


Um I I had a couple come in and and they're in their 70s, and one of them has been regularly doing chemical peels.00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.880


They're both light skinned, yeah, and one has not.00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:44.320


And it's like it's like, yeah, like I want to be able to guess that you guys were both the same age.00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:50.159


Yeah, so like proper skincare, doing the right things, yeah, like it adds up.00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:51.280


It sure does.00:38:51.760 --> 00:39:04.719


And I mean, it it kills our business, is like less facelifts, less brow lifts, but um but you can do so many procedures and thin that skin so much in the long run.00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.039


That's the shiny, the shiny people coming in.00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:08.960


That's the shiny people coming in.00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.760


You're like, you touch them and they'll just fight the stuff.00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.679


I don't know if that's what stay together.00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.800


Yeah, but that's why we put them in hyperbarracks right away.00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:17.440


That's right.00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:18.320


That's very smart.00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:28.159


That's like I was asking you for wellness stuff, because like we have hyperbarics, we have red light therapy, or our two main things post-operative care.00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:28.639


That's right.00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:36.880


And we're building a surgery center, and we're gonna put like a four-person chamber in there to like be able to have more comfort.00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:38.400


Hyperbaric is amazing.00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:45.599


I'm so glad because you guys are yeah, red light, well, cold laser, red light, laser, even infrared, but red light and hyperbaric.00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.079


I love that's what I have been lecturing for.00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.000


My mentor was Bill Tiller.00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:56.800


He was um in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know, but he was the science guy that nobody could understand.00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.400


He was the chair of the physics department at Stanford for 40 years.00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.239


He taught me the right questions to ask.00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:10.960


So when I started talking and and and teaching docs about laser physics, yeah, red light is just so I I bought this red light mat.00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.679


I had lower back pain for like eight months.00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.320


I tried peptides, everything stretching.00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:17.920


Yep, it wasn't getting better.00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.519


I bought this red light mat.00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.239


I'm like, all right, they were at the A4M meeting.00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:23.199


Rely on it?00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:23.519


Yeah.00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.760


Is it an LED or is it a laser?00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.920


Um, it's LED and it's got infrared lights in it.00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:30.320


Yeah, okay.00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:31.760


It's like a six and one.00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.199


Yeah, so it looks like an Alibaba thing, you know?00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:42.880


Yeah, but it's like it said the the company says they're made in USA, but it their entire site looks like it's straight out of Alibaba.00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:48.320


You know, it's assembled maybe in USA, but maybe not made in USA.00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:49.039


I know.00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.039


I but I feel better.00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.880


I religiously go on that thing like every night.00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:02.719


I lay on it as I'm putting my son to sleep, and it's like 30 minutes every night and two weeks, like my lower back pain completely gone.00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.360


I challenge you, was it gonna go away without that or not?00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:06.079


I don't think so.00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.679


I had it for like eight months.00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.920


I had it for eight months, tried everything.00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:11.280


LED can work.00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:15.920


Yeah, LED's good laser pivot tools.00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.960


I was, but that wasn't doing anything.00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:20.320


I was actually getting more pain.00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.000


I was gonna say that might, yeah.00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:23.920


Yeah, I actually tried it.00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.440


Yeah, yeah, it could irritate.00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.400


No, red light's underutilized, and and I love it.00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:34.719


Now I would say red light four hours away from hyperbaric, though, sometimes if it depends what cancer we do.00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:40.079


For the you don't have to, but that's the what we are seeing in our science, the research that we've got now.00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:54.239


Sorry, the the one reason I like went towards red light, yeah, is I had like two patients after nose job that came in with like, oh yeah, I have the red light mask.00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.039


It wasn't like an expensive red light mask, it was like just some.00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.039


It's an LED then Sephora.00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:00.320


Yeah, it's an LED.00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:10.960


And I I was absolutely shocked with the amount of swelling and bruising that resolved within one week.00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:16.079


Yeah, it like we did a nose job on my brother.00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.800


He he went through it all and he had horrible swelling, bruising.00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.840


Yeah, like them.00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.320


I was just like, can I operate on this?00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.079


What am I doing right?00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:27.039


This is great.00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:28.320


That's it's exactly right.00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:34.719


You know, post and pre even pre-surgery, using these laser techniques for 20 years now.00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:35.599


I've been using it.00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:39.360


And it healing fractures after surgery.00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:46.079


They go back, and the surgeons are always like, oh my gosh, this is half the time and better effect than we would expect without it.00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:50.480


Yeah, it's so what's the science be behind the timing between hyperbarxes?00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.320


Well, it's new, but it's coming out.00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.320


Some of the science, uh, Dominic Dagostino is out of the University of Southern Florida.00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.039


Yeah, he's funded by DARPA by the Department of Defense.00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:06.239


He's been entrusted to look at what are the best therapies to make our super soldiers faster, better, stronger, right?00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.679


So uh for Navy SEALs and I yeah.00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:19.599


So so all of that, uh, you know, I I follow he's part of our international group, Society of Integrative Metabolic Oncology, and I know Dominic, we're good friends.00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.360


So I follow what he's got going on, what he's seeing coming out of there.00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:29.599


So right now, our our hypothesis and thought and what we're seeing is that they need to be a part.00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.000


It's a hype, it's a it's just mechanisms.00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:33.280


They may interfere with one another.00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.199


They're not harmful to do it, but you're gonna get better effect if we have about a four-hour window.00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.280


Well, no, because the data antioxidants are not.00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.880


Yeah, because we have our patients, they do hyperbarics and then they go and do the red light right after it.00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.039


So it's you know, it's back to back.00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:48.400


Yeah, for post-operative.00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:52.639


Well, it depends what we're we're doing.00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:58.320


For for cancer patients, we do red light and we'll say do that in the morning and do your hyperbaric in the afternoon or four hours apart.00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.599


What do you think about all these uh like different lights?00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:14.320


You know, like you uh something that's coming big in the aesthetic industry is this Elixir MD that has like yellow light post-surgery day one through three.00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:20.159


No, no, it's like yellow light or blue light and this other garbage.00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.400


And I'm like all I want is the my red light bed and network.00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.840


Red light, blue light, right?00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:26.960


Bud light.00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:28.960


You're back to the bud light.00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.079


Yeah, there you go, there you go.00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:30.960


No sleep tonight.00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:32.000


No sleep tonight.00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.559


Not after three, after three p.m.00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:35.360


I'll call it.00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.760


It's like 25 bud lights and go to the times.00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:40.239


That's right.00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:41.199


You're gonna wake up a bit.00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.000


So the phototherapies, I think, is the wave of the future.00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:45.199


We need to start using it more.00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.320


We need more science behind it.00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.800


There's not a lot of uh people to put money behind it because there's not a lot of money to be had.00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:59.440


But I do know, again, from my mentor, the farther you get in on that spectrum toward ultraviolet or radio frequency, whichever, you're getting more harmful.00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:04.320


We have more science and red light in that, that visible red light in what that does.00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.159


And we've got a lot of good science with that.00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:14.239


The farther away you get from that, like lavender, we had a lavender laser that was being used aesthetically, and it was being used for weight loss and this and that.00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:20.000


And I talked to Bill, doc Bill Tiller about it, and he said, You're way too close to the UV light.00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:21.679


He said he thought it could be cancer causing.00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:22.960


So and even green light.00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.639


We didn't have the lavender scent.00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:26.159


No, to go with it.00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:26.480


Yeah.00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.679


I don't think we know enough about it yet, but blue light, yes.00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:36.800


I mean, fungal infections, we know these things can be powerful, but for the things that we're talking about, red light's a safe place to go.00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:43.440


Yeah, that's that's what I thought because it's got I think it's got the blue light at the beginning to maybe fight off infection or something like that.00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:44.000


And that's okay.00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.119


Yeah, there's not as much on the I know, I mean, I think that's a marking.00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.199


Yeah, I was like, uh, I'd rather get my fancy red light.00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:07.519


Yeah, and and yeah, the the red light bed we're looking at has like, I don't know, it it infuses um hydrogen, and yeah, and on top of it, you got like vibration acoustic treatment on it too.00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.639


So like you're getting all starting to layer things.00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:18.880


Yeah, I would just say with um with a full-body red laser, red light, we're a little concerned about that with cancer.00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:26.639


If you put it over directly over a cancerous tumor somewhere because it causes angiogenesis, that new growth of blood vessels for your listeners, right?00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.719


Don't put it, do a panel, do something, yeah, but don't put it right over the tumor.00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:36.480


It makes perfect sense because you don't want to like hyperpower cancer.00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:37.039


That's right.00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:38.639


You don't want to give it the blood flow to grab it.00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.360


Pretty much all our patients, the cancer's cut out.00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:43.920


Yeah, yeah.00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.239


So then we just want to.00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.239


But not all of it sometimes.00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:49.920


So they could still have it in their own.00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.880


And you gotta always say, just because you get a tumor, they go, they got it all.00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:54.400


And they go, No, they didn't never got it all.00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:56.719


You got you got all of the tumor that you can see.00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:56.960


Yeah.00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.280


But there's cancer circulating tumor cells everywhere.00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.800


So I love red light.00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:07.360


That can lead you to say, like, I don't need or want any of this.00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:18.960


So where it's like speeding up the the blood supply and everything to whatever it is, you know, skin subcutaneous cells, sure.00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.239


Like it it's uh it's always a balance.00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:22.639


Yeah.00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.320


So but are you kicking more immune cells to kill the cancer too?00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:27.199


Well, that's the thing.00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.920


I mean, you know, you've got a bulk of a tumor, always take that.00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:31.280


In my opinion, you take that out.00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.079


Let the immune system have a chance to help take that out.00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:34.400


Yeah.00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:39.199


I had a a physician, I've had several physicians that have come and said, I will never do surgery.00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.679


They had their they found out they had cancer, and I go, What are you thinking?00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:41.920


Yeah.00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.119


Here, come on, let's do just some basic common sense here.00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:46.719


Take out the bulk of the tumor.00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:46.960


Yeah.00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.599


And now let's do all the things that we're talking about doing.00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.440


But no, angiogenesis, we've got to be careful with that blood supply.00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:53.840


Yeah.00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:55.440


Yes.00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:02.880


I think once it's cut out, you gotta feed the rest of your system as well as it's a good thing.00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:03.440


Of course.00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:05.440


Well, that's that that's my thought process.00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.760


Well, that's how metabolic we do.00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.440


Yeah, I think you do it with hyperbaric.00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:11.440


You do, hyperbaric and red light.00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.159


You do.00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.960


It's just even though it's cut out, feed you know, everything in your body.00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:18.159


Not not hyperbaric.00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.639


Hyperbaric kills off your cancer cells.00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.039


It decreases tumor cells uh size.00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:24.559


This changes the tumors.00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:30.800


Like what you're arguing technically could feed the hyperbaric oxygen.00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:31.760


It's not hyperbaric.00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.559


It drives that oxygen right into the cell.00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.440


So But that cell can have a tumor in it.00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.159


Yeah, but tumors don't survive on oxygen.00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:40.880


That's exactly right.00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.280


It's not necessarily tumors on oxygen.00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:44.400


It's very rare tumors.00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:46.000


No, it doesn't.00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:50.480


You could feed the tumor with the You know, it's all good hypothesis, right?00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:55.679


But I will say the science is as far as we know right now with hyperbaric, we see it as being protected.00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:56.880


Tumorgenic.00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.199


And yeah, I believe it too.00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.039


I'm just I'm playing the devil's.00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:03.840


We should always do it.00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.039


No, but it's brother, so I want to disagree with that.00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:11.360


It helps with hemosensitivity and um and radiosensitivity.00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.679


Hyperbaric helps you use less of those things with a better effect.00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:16.079


Yeah.00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:20.400


So when we start looking at that, we go, okay, let's play with conventional medicine.00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.920


Um, for cancer, you've got to be at 2.1 and above, right?00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:26.400


Okay.00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:27.840


You've got to be in a hard shell.00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.199


If you're doing aesthetic and you're doing anti-aging, you can be in the soft shell.00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.159


It's got a hard, soft shell, though.00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:34.719


It goes to the city.00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:35.840


Can you get to 2.1?00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:36.320


Yeah.00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.559


So 2.1 and above, 2.1, 2.4, it depends on the size of the tumor that we'll do.00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.840


But like you said, you guys have two atmosphere.00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:44.880


Most of yours are post-surgical.00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:46.400


Most of ours are post-surgical.00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:47.599


We don't post surgical, right?00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.119


We're not treating their can't be.00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:49.280


Right.00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:50.159


Right.00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:50.480


Yeah.00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.400


Which we're not allowed to either, but but our science is showing that it's happening.00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:54.960


Yeah.00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.480


We think it'll be an indicated soon with the amount of science.00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.480


But with what you guys are doing, you don't need to be.00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:02.800


As long as Donald Trump doesn't say it.00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:04.159


Keep it out of his mouth.00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.159


And Aceta.00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:13.119


And I voted for him, but I'll vote for him again.00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:13.599


Yeah?00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:14.239


You know what?00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.199


We look at the alternative.00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:15.440


Yeah.00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:16.800


I know.00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:23.440


Melania Trump definitely ate a shit ton of Tylenol when she was pregnant with Baron Trump.00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:23.840


Yeah.00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.079


According to what's been released today.00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:27.280


Oh my gosh, really?00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:28.639


I haven't seen the news today.00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:29.199


Okay.00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:30.000


Oh, Tylen.00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:31.679


That was the Tylenol thing.00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:33.679


Well, I know that was about autism and autism.00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.159


Today was the big announcement that Tylenol is the.00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:48.480


Well, no, we knew that, but like or did he say something about Baron Trump is seems autistic as fuck.00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.719


Smart as heck, though.00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:51.440


Yeah.00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:52.559


Supposedly.00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:52.880


Yeah.00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.760


Watch that kid and what he's been doing.00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:56.480


I'm pretty impressed.00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:00.800


When you have the type of clout that he does, yeah.00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:06.239


Where like where like somebody else's kid might not have that type of clout.00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.239


Like I don't underestimate how smart he is.00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.000


And I actually like think like what Donald Jr.00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:18.320


and Eric have done is actually very, very smart.00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.119


I won't take that away from them.00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.079


But he's definitely on the spectrum.00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:35.119


And his dad comes out and says, This big finding says it's about Tylenol, so Melania must be taking a shit ton of Tylenol.00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.280


But that's a good hypothesis.00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:52.320


About the Tylenol leading to autism.00:51:54.079 --> 00:52:00.400


I do think the reason you need to take Tylenol in pregnancy is because of fevers and pain.00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:08.079


You've gone through some stuff, and that stuff might lead to the autism with the birth.00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.159


Probably lack of oxygen.00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:10.719


I don't know.00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:11.039


Right.00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:12.880


But you know the whole causation thing.00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:13.199


Yeah.00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:13.599


Right?00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.480


Just because something correlates doesn't mean it's caused by now.00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:17.519


In time we're gonna know.00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:22.239


Time will have enough numbers in value, numbers of people and stuff to know.00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:22.639


Yes.00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:24.639


How many pregnancies did you go through?00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:25.360


Just one.00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.159


So you did you take Tylenol or not?00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:29.440


I'm like, I've never, I don't think.00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:34.800


I know I don't look I'm just trying to figure out when you would actually take Tylenol.00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.639


Because as an adult, you fight through your fevers unless you're in a couple of things.00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:39.760


Oh, it's a pregnancy.00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:40.000


Yeah.00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:47.039


I just think would you have to have the same sort of taking something?00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:49.360


As a as a pain.00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.079


Would have been the one thing for a possibility.00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:17.360


I'm gathering my feces to cleanse all pregnant females and you'll be good.00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:20.480


It always comes together.00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:27.280


It's true though.00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:33.280


There's a lot of correlative stuff that like people like don't put pieces together.00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:43.199


And like it just came to me today as like, because somebody was like, this is the only drug that's available for for people that have fevers during pregnancy.00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.119


I was like, why are they having fevers?00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.119


That's that would be the question.00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:54.320


So if you're having an infection, that's like you know, that's gonna that could cause whatever, you know.00:53:54.639 --> 00:54:00.800


And you know, and it also could create antibodies so that the baby's immune system learns how to fight that thing that the mom's fighting.00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:01.840


It's called a vaccine type.00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:08.239


I yeah, they probably got a mom or the I was gonna say they probably got a vaccine, or the mom's fighting the baby.00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.599


Like it's it's I don't know, it can happen.00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:14.559


What what happened yeah, years before?00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.920


I just I always say less is more, right?00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:18.800


Less is more.00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.239


More is not more is not better.00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.519


I did I don't know one else.00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:33.679


Did a few years of research at Harvard, uh an immunology lab that was transplant related, but it's just like some of it doesn't make fucking sense.00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:50.400


And you have uh physicians and like really top-notch physicians like fighting staunchly because there's one or two papers and being like okay, there's uh nothing on the other side.00:54:50.559 --> 00:55:02.559


I don't want to say they're wrong, they might be right because those two papers are really strong, but like going on the other side, you're just like dude, just just be a scientist.00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:03.280


That's right.00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:05.840


You're supposed to question yourself today.00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.800


You're supposed to question yourself, your own results.00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:18.480


Right you don't want to like like make your results facts and then make a story behind to fit that that's right.00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:50.239


Yeah, like my my uh PI principal investigator in Boston, he very close to getting like a Nobel Prize, and like I was asking him, I was like, like going through a few different studies because I had a few different findings, and he's like it doesn't matter what you're searching, if you're what you're searching for is strong enough, it doesn't matter how your findings are.00:55:50.960 --> 00:56:10.159


Like if you're like even if it's a negative finding, you're like, I studied to show this, and this was a bunch of bullshit, and like you're proven wrong, like that's gonna be very informative for a ton of people going down the same research line.00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:17.840


If you like you gotta like that tells like 50% of the field to be like, stop doing this, right?00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:18.800


Stop this and look here.00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:20.559


That's right.00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.400


So but you know, name a study.00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:26.079


Can you guys name a study that you would say was 100% unbiased?00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:27.199


Namaste study.00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.119


No, no, no, yeah, yeah.00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:34.719


Not not not you can't help it even because I've been a PI, I have a research company.00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:42.239


And you you even though you're trying to be unbiased, you want to design this in an unbiased way to look and see does this work or does this not?00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:46.800


And what are the things that we would normally test for to see is it working or is it not?00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:47.679


But you can't help.00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:48.880


My bias got in there.00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:50.239


Yeah, you can't help it.00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.000


Like I have a of my experience.00:56:54.800 --> 00:57:01.840


I have a few published papers and stuff, and there there's biases in each of those papers.00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:03.039


And all of them, that's what I mean.00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.239


You can't help it.00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:05.519


You yeah, exactly.00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:07.599


You try, you're honest.00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.960


You you're honest, you get but you there's no yeah.00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:14.960


Somebody's somebody's gotta publish me or give me money or something.00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:20.480


So it's it's the best route I could take for for making this paper the right way.00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:21.679


Do you guys agree?00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:22.880


And Barry, you too.00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.280


I mean that the more you learn and the more you know, the more you know that we don't have a clue.00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:27.760


Yeah.00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:28.559


We don't know.00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:29.039


The smarter.00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:38.639


I get the more information I have in my head of everything that I know in all these areas, the more I realize we really don't know a lot of this.00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:40.320


Yeah.00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:42.639


That just means that you just don't know.00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.559


Yeah, that just means you're looking and you're open-minded.00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:51.679


You have to otherwise, like, if you're gonna be closed-minded, you're gonna be like, I know everything.00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.519


There's a limited amount of information, and I know most of it.00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:58.159


Yeah, it's always like question those.00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:00.400


And you see how much information's out there.00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:01.599


That's right, that's right.00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.360


And that's why AI is AI is bringing a lot of that together.00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:08.559


Yeah, we just lectured the United Nations about AI.00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:08.960


Yeah.00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:10.079


And how we can use it.00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:15.119


And I I talked about medicine and women's health, and you did intuition and and emotional and spiritual medicine.00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:24.480


I was gonna say with music though, I mean there's only you know, there's there's 12 notes, and to see people, right, yeah, who just continue to blow you away.00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:25.840


Like, how are they doing that?00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:36.480


Yeah, like especially like with things online, and you're you're seeing things that you would never would have seen, some kid in the middle of nowhere who's like playing guitar like you've never seen it played before.00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:41.920


Yeah, and I remember when Stanley Jordan came out and he was doing the double-handed guitars and all that.00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.039


We thought it was amazing.00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:50.639


Now we're seeing so many different things at the same time as AI and and music is changing there.00:58:50.800 --> 00:59:07.519


Yeah, there's still people are still thriving for that one-on-one, that live performances, and that's why we're seeing so many concerts growing out because we're spending so much time right learning about all these new tools, yeah, yeah, that we need more downtime and we need to connect more with people.00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:15.360


Yeah, so you have two a lot of going excitement going on, and then people looking for new ways to de-stress and connect.00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:21.519


Yeah, so there's a lot more we're learning, I think, about humanity too, and even flow states, right?00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.519


You were talking about flow states, getting to flow states, right?00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:30.079


We're learning a lot more of how you can get there and the importance of it, you know.00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:37.360


And it's not it's not more thinking, it's emptying the mind out that gets you into those flow states and those peak states.00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:46.239


So, yeah, it's great to be learning all these new things, but at the same time, I would say emptying your mind out, but and not thinking, but it is actually thinking.00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:46.719


Right.00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.840


And it it is analyzing, it's active.00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:55.519


Yeah, it is an active process internally in the mind.00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:59.760


So I don't clearing out the but the more you get the mind out of the process, to get inactive.01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:00.239


Yes.01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:01.679


Yes.01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:07.280


Like anything else, you you know, the more that you practice something and exactly the more you have an experience with it.01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:15.119


And like even with the soundbath, getting back to that, you know, when you had that one experience, and I think you even said it, then you wanted to do that again.01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:15.599


Yeah.01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:18.000


And you knew that you can get there doing it.01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.440


You have an experience and a basis for that.01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:26.719


It's easier to get to because you something that was going on even not doing, right?01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:34.719


Even even surgical, or most people in like sports and stuff, they think through the process of that situation.01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:43.760


Where like most of the stuff that we do, people are like, oh yeah, you're thinking like an artist, like, no, I'm kind of fucking brain dead.01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.719


Like I'm doing what I'm saying, I wouldn't call it.01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:54.480


I wouldn't call it brain dead, but it's like I'm I'm doing what I'm supposed to turn off the analytical mind so that we can be more creative.01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:54.719


Yeah.01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:58.480


Shut off certain parts and activate other parts.01:00:58.639 --> 01:00:58.880


Yeah.01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.639


It's it's that meditative.01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.400


We've seen it with sleep, meditation.01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:06.719


Access that as well.01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:07.679


And he was a musician.01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.000


A lot of people don't know he played violin and piano.01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:18.239


In his memoirs that his his um kids wrote, they said they hear him from the other room going, after he played violin, I got it, I got it.01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:19.039


Right?01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:25.519


So accessing another part of the brain where he wasn't having to think, but he still was doing something.01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:26.159


Yeah, right.01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:35.840


So so, like in surgery, obviously, we're not like overreacting or anything, but um just knowing your next move.01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.079


You know, you know what to do when you know, yeah, mental rehearsal, yeah.01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.800


Mental rehearsal is like top-notch athletes do it all the time.01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:45.440


Absolutely.01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.760


Like I listen to they know the next move.01:01:48.159 --> 01:02:02.159


I listen to Wayne Rooney, uh, soccer player, which I don't listen to athletes because of this, but it's just like he's going over like, oh, the cross is coming in this way, and I'm like, am I gonna bicycle kick it?01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.360


Am I gonna bring it down my chest and then kick it?01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:15.360


And I hate to think of myself as an athlete or whatever, but like that is kind of the same thought process.01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:17.360


Yeah, tell me who you work with.01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:20.000


Tell them who you utilizes your music and why.01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:21.039


This is interesting.01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:22.719


Tell them who you're working with.01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:24.480


Who am I working with now?01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:25.519


Deepaccio Brian.01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:32.559


Oh, Dave, um, I've done music with Dave Asprey and and 40 Years of Zen and provided tones for that.01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:32.800


Dr.01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:36.559


Joe Dispenza, I've done uh a lot of music for for meditation.01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.239


These are the leaders in the field of what we're talking about.01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:40.239


Daniel Eyman, Daniel Eyman as well.01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:40.800


Yeah.01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:46.239


I liked his books before this new book, 40 years of Zen.01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:46.719


Horrible.01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:48.079


I can listen through it.01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:48.800


Heavily meditated.01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:56.639


I think I do want to go to his 40 years of Zen, but it seems like he's pitching it for the 40 years of Zen.01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:58.639


Well, 40 years of Zen has been around for a while.01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:00.000


Did you guys do it?01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.000


I've did uh a home version of it.01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:03.119


I was bigger testing it.01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:09.360


Because they used some of his deal of uh devices.01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:12.159


Because my wife wants to do something to like just quite a bit.01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:13.679


I think it's pretty deep emotionally.01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.639


It's not just like you know, biohacking with brain things.01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:24.079


A lot of it is about letting go of trauma and yeah, it's all just like written now, just like reading through his.01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:32.480


It just seems like he's trying to sell a lot of stuff in that book, and he brings up 40 years of Zen, which is his thing, and upgrade labs.01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:34.639


Yeah, it's just like repetition, repetition.01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:35.199


I'm like, come on.01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:49.440


But I think it is I would say one, I think it's a it's a good direction for biohackers to be thinking about too, that there are things that they can do inside of them as well that they can access with you know without having to, or adding it to, right?01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.039


Well, let's try something that's non-invasive completely, right?01:03:53.199 --> 01:04:01.519


And that you can access, yeah, you know, utilizing a practice, utilizing your mind, and getting into a practice of managing yeah your stress more effectively.01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:06.079


And I think that's a a direction that um needs to be looked at, and I think that's why it's going to be a good thing.01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:12.639


And what people don't see is like with meditation and sleep and clearing out your brain of the bad stuff, yeah.01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:24.000


It's like, you know, even and I've said it before, like answering to my wife, you know, like when I don't meditate or get that sleep, you're like you're short fuse, and you answer wrong.01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:28.639


But like when you do the meditation, you get the proper sleep, clear out the head.01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:43.199


You're like, she says something, you take a few seconds to just make it make sense to you, and like you you like answer almost immediately, and it makes sense, and it it like makes them feel like you're there.01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:50.000


Where like present when you don't have that clear mind and you're not you're not expressing yourself the way you should.01:04:51.199 --> 01:05:01.199


I think one of the worst things is in an argument with your wife, if you're wrong, the only thing Which is always but go to the right.01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:05.760


The only thing worse than that is if your wife is wrong.01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:07.119


Yeah, that's right.01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:07.760


That's all right.01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:09.519


You have a wife who's wrong.01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.840


Wait, yeah, I don't think I'm not sure.01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:15.920


Yeah, yeah.01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:20.800


If she's wrong, and I think you are right.01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:25.679


You're right about um that with meditation and for me it's creative.01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:38.639


Like if I don't get behind a keyboard every day and I'm not creative, then I'm a lot uh more you know, able to have a knee-jerk reaction to something that she would say to me or someone else.01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:46.639


But if I give myself that time to do that, I find that I can manage my energy more effectively, and ultimately that's what it is.01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.480


I mean, it's it's energetic management.01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:52.800


You don't want to be spending your energy, you know, and getting into a fight for no reason.01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:53.199


Yeah.01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.880


And I find like I I find I get a lot more moody too.01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:03.679


If I don't work out, I do like quick like resistance band workouts, and like I'm like, I just need to do that.01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.400


I'm like, I'm like, I haven't done it for three days.01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:14.079


I I need to get on there because like as a musician, I just uh curious thing.01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:18.239


Have you ever played shitty music on purpose?01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:28.960


Uh not on purpose, but I mean uh I have, I mean, I went to a stage I went to a stage of songwriting, and like I thought I could write in any genre, right?01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:35.920


Yeah, and I remember literally thinking I wrote the best country song that was ever written.01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.000


And to this day, my friends are teased will still tease me about that one song.01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:41.920


Yeah, it was called Champagne and Roses.01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:44.000


It was really it was really bad.01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:44.559


Was it?01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:45.519


Yeah, it was really bad.01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.960


And I wrote a a couple punk rock songs that I thought were great.01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.800


You know, but but I don't know you've said this yet.01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:55.199


I mean, I'll say it for him because he doesn't do it enough.01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.559


He won a Grammy for producing Les Paul, the inventor of the electric guitar.01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:11.519


Nice, but um for best rock instrumental, yeah, and but now he's known for this healing music, music and the medicine your book and all the studies behind it, limbic deactivation, all the science behind music and medicine.01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:19.440


I mean, I think everyone here is probably in the same same area where you have to practice a certain amount and make mistakes, right?01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:24.000


To get to that level where you can go on autopilot, where you can mentally rehearse.01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:28.400


Yeah, think about like um Curry or Jordan, right?01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:32.239


They would say they they went through mental rehearsal every shot.01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:38.239


Curry would shoot how many shots to get to that place of mastery where they cannot think about it.01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:38.719


Yeah.01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:47.440


So you have to make those mistakes to know what you don't want to do, yeah, right, and also to become more expertise out in your lane.01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:49.119


Yeah, and that's how to find my lane.01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.639


And that adds onto it layer by layer with your experience.01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:55.280


That's it.01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:59.760


And you gotta say, okay, well, I guess country's not my lane, punk's not my lane.01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:03.920


I didn't definitely didn't think like you know, music for sleep was going to be my lane.01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:04.639


Yeah, yeah.01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:06.079


And I think that's the other part.01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:16.960


Meditation, you know, sometimes you have to pivot and you diversify into other areas um that suddenly, you know, change when when you're you change your whole life.01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:18.239


You know, there's a fork in the road.01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:22.399


Yeah, and you said, Oh man, okay, I think I am, I think I'm gonna go this way.01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:24.000


And that was like right after the Grammy.01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.800


You're just like, I'm I'm really good at this.01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.479


I'm really good at this, and this is helping a ton of people out.01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:34.479


Is like I I gotta like go full ass into the stuff.01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.159


That's how I got into like the whole anti-aging thing, too.01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.600


Like, I I I was a fat mess.01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:59.119


Like, after we had our first kid, I ate all the crap my wife ate, like when she wanted to order out, so I gained a ton of weight, and like you know, but like when it I got timed down, I'd just be on my phone, like reading different articles about health and wellness and stuff.01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:11.359


And I'd always been interested, I've always been in the health and wellness industry, but like all of a sudden, like you know, with peptides and everything, I was like, all right, let's try this and this, and started trying stuff at home myself.01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:13.359


And I was like, Oh, this feels great.01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:17.439


And then, like, you know, I started talking to my nurse practitioner about it.01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:33.279


She she like it got her fired up right away, and then like me and her would have conversations, and like really we both like started to master it, and like we're like, we got to take this to our patients now, you know, and it it's helped so many patients.01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:43.439


It's like you just it just tried different things because you know, surgery like I I did thousands of surgeries, like the first five years.01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:48.880


I like I don't think I really took time off, and I was operating like crazy.01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:54.479


So you you kind of burn yourself out, but like the this brought like new joy and love into medicine.01:09:55.279 --> 01:10:15.520


Um and you know, this and then picked up more on the aesthetic stuff and like where I'm able to help out people because one of the main things was like doing you know, patients would come in and like I see all these people like doing surgeries on patients with BMIs like 40, 50, and I didn't even get that high.01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.600


And but I was like, all right, am I doing these people any good?01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:24.880


I'm making fat a little less fat, and it just does not feel right to me, you know.01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.199


Like we gotta help them out in other ways before.01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.239


Like be like, okay, I shouldn't have done that.01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.159


Yeah, but you were trying in the moment, you're thinking I'm helping, and then you're gonna be able to do that.01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:36.960


This is the best option.01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.119


That's right, and then you look and say, Okay, let me get to the root cause, but that takes time.01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:42.960


Yeah, it takes time to get to that root cause.01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:51.840


I mean, that's what I I'm always like hearing people say from the other room, not just patients, but everyone that you work with.01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:55.520


You ask, oh no one's ever asked me that question before.01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:56.880


That's a great question.01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:04.000


And I think that's what uh drives you as well, is just you ask great questions and that helps to get people get to the other.01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.079


Yeah, it's it's it's seriously with like yeah, what she does.01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:10.399


It's like it's incredible.01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:17.199


It's it is seriously like taking that extra few minutes that we're we're not just trying to plug holes.01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:17.520


Right.01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:22.960


You know, we're we're physicians here to fix you as a whole instead of just plug holes.01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:27.199


And that's that's what you don't get in medicine these days.01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.000


You you want insurance to cover your stuff.01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:36.720


You're gonna go in there and they're gonna patch this up, so it leads to the next thing, so it leads to the next thing.01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:45.520


They're writing you four different medications uh for the same thing, which they could have resolved the first the first day.01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:54.000


So it's not a cure, no, not a cure, it's symptom management and you know, hoping the body will get better once you can come in, play keyboard for them.01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:57.119


Yeah, that's the I don't do house calls.01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:58.640


He doesn't do house calls in.01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:03.520


It's like I know you don't like your results, I got a guy.01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:06.319


Wish it was that easy, Doug.01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:08.239


I I wish it was that easy.01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:09.680


That would be so great.01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:16.000


But the other interesting thing I found uh like you do a course at ASU, or do you still do the course?01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:16.479


I did.01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:18.399


I so for 18 years I developed it.01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:27.199


I wrote it and developed it, and I stopped during um the pandemic because certain mandates, and I said, I have a voice of my own.01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:40.800


And so for 18 years, and it was um ancient healings for uh modern times, and it had to be a master's level, so it was mostly doctors and nurses or social work, people that wanted to know more about homeopathy, naturopathy, Aervedic medicine.01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:41.600


What are all these things?01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:43.279


You'll hear about Aerovetic medicine.01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:47.840


Aervedic is older than traditional Chinese medicine.01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:55.680


Yeah, so it's a way you look at your dosha, kind of like your constitution, and it's just the way you should eat, the types of foods, all those things.01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:58.800


It's like Chinese medicine, but it was actually older and predated.01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:01.119


And there's still a lot of it, it's interesting.01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.039


A lot of that's what Deepak Chopra's.01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:09.680


Um I went to his training in Aerovedic many years ago, Aerobetic medicine, and still I think they still do that.01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:10.640


I'm not sure.01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:16.880


But it's just an ancient way of looking at the body holistically, as we started this conversation, right?01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:21.279


Holistically, you look at the whole body, your personality, how you were born, all those things.01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:27.439


And there are things that we, you know, that you look at and you go, okay, I can see that you're this dosha.01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:36.159


Which is ha have you thought about doing that as like uh you know, like a as an online learning class at all?01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.439


Uh they wanted me to, so here's what I'm doing.01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:43.119


I've got a podcast about to pop with uh with uh Les Brown.01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:44.880


You know who Les Brown is, right?01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.960


Motivational Les and I because he's my patient and he has cancer.01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.359


Well, actually, no evidence now.01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:51.680


Yeah.01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:58.960


But um because he was we were getting he would in the middle of the night be texting me from Atlanta going, here's an influencer, they just said this.01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:00.319


What about this for my cancer?01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:02.079


I'd say, no, no, not yet.01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:03.039


We don't know enough.01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:09.119


So that and I have a television show, it's a debate format between conventional and alternative.01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:12.239


We've never done it in medicine, we do it in politics all day long.01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:13.760


We have never heard both sides together.01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:16.000


The conventional is gonna get crushed.01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:17.199


Well, that's the problem.01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:28.239


That's why it couldn't be on a typical station, kind of kind of and not, but so when we did the pilot at PBS, I had two uh board-certified cardiologists, right?01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.079


Traditionally, yeah.01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:35.359


One was Stephen Sinatra, I don't know if you guys knew who that was, but in the holistic world Frank's brother.01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:36.159


Yeah, yeah.01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:37.119


Yeah, yeah.01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:43.119


He showed up, long hair, you know, like a tie-dyed shirt, and then on the other side, Dr.01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:48.720


Thames, both board certified, and he's in a bow tie, his pants are too short, and he's showing his white socks.01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.039


You know, I couldn't have dressed them more perfectly.01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:56.319


So it was like, so at the beginning, very nice as we do as physicians, let's talk.01:14:56.399 --> 01:15:04.479


And then by the end, one was saying, You sound like the tobacco industry 20 years ago, and the other one's going in your story's pie in the sky because you're gonna have science behind it.01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:11.680


So it and my job was to bring it back into the middle, moderate, but also hold both to their strengths and weaknesses.01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:16.319


One was saying, go do cokin and co q10, and I said, That's great, but what about the quality?01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:17.359


Are you talking about that?01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:19.359


Yeah, what are they putting in their body?01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:22.479


So, my job, because I'm licensed in both, was to be able to do that.01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:33.039


So that's so to answer your question, I got bigger things along that, but it's a nice course because people want to learn about those ancient traditions.01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:49.680


I think it's yeah, I think a lot of them circle back, and we've talked about it because we're we're Persian and like a lot of the old Persian, like the like our parents eat pomegranate, that's right, marberies, bourberines, berberine, yeah, which is all gum and map.01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:50.479


Cherry juice.01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:52.000


That's right, that's right.01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:54.800


All that's the best exercise.01:15:55.199 --> 01:16:00.319


Mama's like, wherever you got jumping jacks like you do jumping.01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:01.680


Yes.01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:03.439


But mom's chicken soup.01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:04.159


Now we know why.01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:04.479


Oh, yeah.01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:05.439


It's the trip to fan.01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:09.439


Now we know why those things, but they knew over centuries, of course, they know what was working.01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:10.159


Yes, work.01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:11.680


That was part of my UN talk.01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:11.920


Yeah.01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:16.720


It was like, let's, these botanicals, you know, 80% of our meds have come from botanicals.01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:17.119


Yeah.01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:23.199


We've only identified at most 30% of what the world has to in medicines for us.01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:23.439


Yeah.01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:25.920


We haven't even begun to look at those plant medicines.01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:28.800


So all those ancient healing traditions, we have a lot.01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.720


And I say, let's go to some of those countries and say, what are you still using?01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:34.399


Okay, this is what you use for this.01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:35.840


Let's study it.01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:41.520


Let's have a business for them to help their local people and do, you know, I mean, somebody needs to do that.01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:49.760


So anytime I get like a slight congestion or cough, I just go eat whatever grass and plants are in my backyard.01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:52.800


Cures everything.01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:55.199


I don't want to ask what I'm saying.01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.159


Yeah, did they just round up on it?01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.319


Yes, he makes sure it's a golf course.01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:05.680


One of the most toxic places on the planet.01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:07.439


It's of course my dad's a lot of people.01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:12.880


Like, knock on the wood, I have just not gotten that sick.01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:13.199


Yeah.01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:16.159


I got sick like once in the last six years.01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:16.479


Yeah.01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:21.279


Where like I got the flu and I was like, uh I can't do shit for like three days.01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:23.279


But that was that's a good immune system.01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:24.640


You're kicking it within three days.01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:25.680


You studied immunology.01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:27.279


He doesn't travel a lot either.01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.439


He's got to travel across country a few times.01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:32.560


I'm the dirtiest motherfucker that to live.01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:40.720


If you got the microbiome, shower less, yeah, use less soap, like eat dirt, like just do the nasty.01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:42.560


The whole microbiome thing.01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:43.439


There's truth in that.01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.319


Tells you not to do go for it.01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:46.880


That's right.01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:48.640


You know the hygiene theory with kids.01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:49.039


Yeah.01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:49.520


Right?01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:54.000


If you let them, you they drop the pacifier, you're not supposed to go sterilize it.01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:56.720


You're supposed to have them introduced microbiome.01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:58.239


They are healthier.01:17:58.319 --> 01:17:58.399


Yeah.01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:00.479


But we kept them too sterile and clean.01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:02.159


I think we could use that.01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:03.279


No, that doesn't count.01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:04.399


You still have to do the dishes.01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:12.000


They say reusing dishes with crusty lasagna.01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:13.600


That's bacteria growth.01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:14.800


We gotta just say that's a little bit more.01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:16.159


No, you can still do that.01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:18.800


That still goes along the lines of what you're arguing.01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:20.079


Well, if you're gonna do that, let's see.01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:22.560


That might be carcinogenic because it's burnt.01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:23.760


Well, there you go.01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.840


You have to look at what is don't overcook food that you don't properly.01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:31.439


When you have histamine, people have histamine responses from lift over you.01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:33.199


It's individual, we're back again.01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:33.520


Yeah.01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:35.520


Maybe your body's used to the bugs.01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:54.000


That's the thing, like arguing like throughout COVID, and like again, did a ton of research in in an immunology lab uh prior to residency, and it's like there's a balance.01:18:54.159 --> 01:19:05.359


Like your immune system as a human being is reliant more on memory than it is on how it fires off.01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:23.119


So like when you're young, your thymus is big, you can have a big response to like a big infection, and gradually over your over time, like when when you're like 28 years old, your thymus is non-existent, even on imaging.01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:44.159


But what shifts in your body from like these like not just natural killer cells, but like your innate immunity to attack these shifts more towards memory cells, like key memory cells, all these memory cells, so your body builds an immune response.01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:57.439


So like you're not teaching your system to develop that, that's a big like decline in like what you can fight off when you get older.01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:05.600


So when you get older, the way to think of it is your immune system needs to be more efficient.01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:10.560


It's not as it's not robustly as efficient.01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:14.960


Yeah, it just needs to adapt more to it.01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:17.039


So yeah.01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:18.079


I don't know.01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:19.359


I don't know where you're going with that.01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.159


No, but but it's it it's that's true.01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:23.439


And then we talk about the microbiome.01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:27.920


I heard you guys say energy to have the same response to an infection.01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.000


Well, we're about to mitochondria too, ATP.01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.640


You need your innate system to be able to respond to that system.01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:37.199


And what helps hyperbaric oxygen?01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:38.479


Yeah, that's yeah, those things.01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:41.279


NAD with your hyperbaric oxygen.01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:44.399


That's I'm not I'm not 100% on NAD yet.01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:47.039


Yeah, I'm like from the cancer standpoint.01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.399


I like NAD just because it makes me feel better.01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:53.680


Sure it does, but so could cocaine and some other thing.01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:56.239


I'm just I'm not but all I'm saying is cocaine too.01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:58.159


So yeah, you might not want to.01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:00.079


I didn't do no, I've never tried anything.01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:02.800


I'm like the person here that maybe is the one that's never tried.01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:05.199


We might as well have a uh beer to wash it down.01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:09.600


There's a little signal that we're a little concerned.01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:10.399


Yeah, I'm kidding.01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:19.039


Because you know, if you read you know Sinclair's book, I said, did anybody read the last chapter that we don't know enough yet to be careful with cancer?01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:19.920


That's all I would say.01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:25.199


Um we would never, and so I was trying to get a C of A and get the the things that I make.01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:29.279


Yeah, all my companies do that I utilize to give me the the testing.01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:35.199


And it was the biggest, and well, I'll just say in one company, I said, give me this analysis, and they go, No.01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:37.520


And I said, What do you tell people who have cancer?01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:39.199


Oh no, it can can never be.01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:40.000


So I'll tell you one thing.01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:44.319


Whatever you fuel your body with can fuel a cancer cell.01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:45.119


Of course.01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:47.680


Well, sugar is the number one, one of the main things.01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:49.680


And that stress does that too.01:21:50.000 --> 01:22:02.800


Yeah, but the there's like pretty much everything you consume that gives you energy will in one like pathway or another, fuel cancer cells.01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:06.159


So you can argue that point to not.01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:09.760


I don't I would counter, I would counteract that.01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:14.880


I would it's like it's it's gotta be like what no, it's there's cells.01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:16.720


Cancer cells are cells, right?01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:22.159


Your body is cells, but but there's there's certain energy stuff that's gonna be more anti-cancer.01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:25.840


Cancer can only use glucose, it can't use ketones.01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:28.960


Yeah, normal cells can and help fight.01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:31.359


So there's different fuels for the different types, right?01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:32.399


Do you agree with that?01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:34.239


That cancer uses different fuels.01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:35.600


So read Dr.01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:36.479


Tom Seafried.01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:38.960


I want you to start following, I want you to say C Fried.01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:40.000


Kind of, kind of.01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:40.479


Okay.01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:54.239


But like there's a lot of arguments for like what you can again, what what what fuels cells is also gonna be the same thing that fuels cancer cells.01:22:54.720 --> 01:23:03.119


I would maybe I'm just saying, like, even stem cells, like wrote a couple of chapters on this mesochinal stem cells, right?01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:08.880


It's great use cases, but if you can't make sure they go along a certain line.01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:10.399


100% agree with you there.01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:13.520


100% agree.01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:14.479


We gotta be careful with that.01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:20.159


The fuel fuel, I don't think we're anywhere close to figuring out the fuel.01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:27.359


There's certain things that definitely aggravate and lead one way or another.01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:40.479


Like if you're hyper-estrogen, like a lot of fats, and your body's turning a lot of those fats to estrogen, and that's constantly like berating your cells.01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:45.760


But there's there it's it's not it's not very discreet.01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:47.840


So I want you guys to get Dr.01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:48.800


Tom Seafried.01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:52.399


I'll ask him to do a podcast with you at a Boston College.01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:58.479


He's written the book, Mitochondrial Health for You know, Cancer, the Mitochondrial Disease of uh the Krebs.01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:02.800


So we know there's two pathways that feed cancer only to only two.01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:08.479


So I want you to, we won't spend too much time on this, but right now we think we're pretty clear on that.01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:13.920


That's why stress and glucose need to be reduced in cancer patients, because that's the fuel.01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:18.640


When it doesn't have that and only has ketones, cancer cannot use ketones as fuel.01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:20.960


But your brain can, which it loves it, body does.01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:22.880


That's why we put them in a ketogenic diet.01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.119


So it would be a fascinating conversation.01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:28.319


I'd love it because I actually disagree with that.01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:36.960


I I personally think it's it's uh you give it fuel, it's but if it doesn't know how to process it.01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:38.720


That's it, it can't utilize it.01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:40.079


So it's it's a phosphorylity.01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:43.520


That's all that's that's a whole problem with the NAD itself, right?01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:44.079


That's right.01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:49.680


Because, like, no, and we're coming out up with NMN night.01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:58.640


The idea is that the cell, you can take it whatever way you want, but it's not going to be so we have done quite a bit, Dominic Dagostino and Dr.01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:03.039


Tom Seafried, and then we've got our international group from Cambridge to everybody.01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:05.119


The science that's coming out, it's fascinating.01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:07.199


I think it's worth another look.01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:09.119


Oh, yeah, I'd love to hear the conversation.01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:10.640


I'd love to hear the conversation.01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:26.399


But I I I would say that I'm on the so far in what I've seen with the cancer patients that I work with worldwide, is that when we're utilizing these therapies that block those two pathways, that's when the oncologists are going, okay, whatever you guys are doing, this is great.01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:27.520


Yeah, this is good.01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:31.760


So, yeah, uh it'd be another conversation, right?01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:32.880


Definitely definitely.01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:34.000


It'd be fun.01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:35.279


That's what we're supposed to do.01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:35.840


Yeah, yeah.01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:37.199


In medicine and in science.01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:39.600


That's why we do this podcast as well.01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:40.079


I know.01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.840


We have a bunch of stuff that watch, just watch his YouTube.01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:46.720


You look in Tom Seafried, and I think you'll find it fascinating.01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:48.319


He's got some good hard science.01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:49.920


Good hard science on this.01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:50.560


Cool.01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:58.159


And then the other thing that we you need to do a podcast on is the difference between male and female brains, convergent and divergent thinking, and how there's different parts of the brain.01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:00.319


Yeah, that's my point.01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:02.159


I can't even understand what she's saying right now.01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:03.680


We'd probably be lost.01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:09.840


That's that's because you guys can only use one side of your brain at once.01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:11.039


I'm trying to tap in both sides.01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:12.880


Women are never can turn it off.01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.119


It's always tapping in both sides.01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.279


You guys can only do one at once.01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:18.239


And that's good.01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:20.640


It's all good and bad, you know, in different ways.01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:21.359


But it's fascinating.01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:23.760


But music uses both sides of the brain.01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:24.640


Yeah, but not at once.01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:25.279


And female.01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:26.479


No, not the ones.01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:27.359


Not at once.01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:28.079


Not at once.01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:34.159


You guys never cross the floor and I'm busy using this side of the brain.01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:36.560


Vacuuming is on the other side of the brain.01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:41.840


So I'm gonna have to ask you to vacuum because you're so like multifactory.01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:43.840


You're really gonna ruin it from me.01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:44.880


You told her you vacuumed.01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:46.159


Yeah, no, not in neutral.01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:48.159


I'm saying I don't.01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:49.840


You can see it in neutral.01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.800


You can tell if it's a male or female fetus by the brain.01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:53.520


By the brain.01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:54.079


By the brain.01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:54.560


By the brain.01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:55.760


By the brain structures.01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:58.239


We have a larger, more active, intuitive.01:26:58.399 --> 01:26:59.119


No, yeah.01:26:59.199 --> 01:26:59.359


No.01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:01.119


Well, men can never vacuum.01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:01.680


No.01:27:01.840 --> 01:27:02.079


I know.01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:04.319


Well, I don't want to.01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:04.880


I don't know.01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:05.600


You don't want it.01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:07.279


Because you don't want it to be good.01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:07.920


Yeah, that's right.01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:10.800


If it's good, though you can ask the next time.01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:12.000


Just be a little dirty.01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:12.560


You know what?01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:17.680


I can afford a roomba.01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:20.960


You know, like it just does get in the corner.01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:25.760


Roomba fucking sucks, but it does an okay job.01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:31.600


And it definitely does a way to jump in the way we put them all out over the.01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:37.760


But just saying a female might be able to turn on the roomba and take care of this and this and this and this and do 10 things at once.01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:38.960


Oh, the female will be a few.01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:44.079


It's just our brains are made differently.01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:45.039


It's not one's better.01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:50.880


You know, I say we we teach that in corporate, is that you know, you've got a team, you've got male and females.01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:55.439


And it used to be that everybody would say we've got to have a quota, we need more females at the C level.01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:59.760


So they hired them in, and then everybody started quitting, and they said, Oh, it's work-life balance.01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:02.800


I'd like to argue against you, but he's giving me that look.01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:04.319


Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:07.039


But it's another show until you're not going to be able to do it.01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:10.479


Even if you're right, you're fucking me over, man.01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:14.640


Prove to her I could do any more than that.01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:18.159


Yeah.01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:19.760


I can't vacuum it off.01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:21.840


I can't.01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:24.640


I don't want to be in the middle of the composition.01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:25.039


I can't be.01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:26.960


Oh, that's why we have somebody clean.01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:28.000


So that's why we have somebody.01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.239


But we need to clean this to do a little bit cleaner.01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:34.319


Well, that's a little bit.01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.479


We have to clean, and I've said you have to pick up and straighten up so they can.01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:39.520


That was a whole new thing.01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:45.119


I know.01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:50.479


I'm like, she's like, they're gonna think we're dirty.01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:51.920


I'm like, who the who the fuck cares?01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.840


It's not up or they can't clean.01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:56.880


These are the downsides.01:28:58.319 --> 01:28:59.359


Your house is different.01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:11.760


But when you're at a hotel and my wife's like trying to tidy up the place, I'm like, that I don't know, but these are the downsides of having both sides of your brain firing at the same time.01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:12.000


Yeah.01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:14.079


You're battling against each other.01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:15.119


It doesn't make sense.01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:16.000


No, it didn't make it.01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:18.399


The cleaning to clean, the cleaner's coming.01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.000


Like, no, you don't.01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:22.720


The cleaner is coming to clean.01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:24.720


It's convergent divergent.01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:25.680


The best example I've got.01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:31.199


If there's a, if there's a if there's a bear about to come in here and attack us.01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.000


Yeah, I want to make sure my kitchen is fucking.01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:42.880


Yeah, well, a female would be saying murdered by a grizzly bear and the dirty dishes in my skin.01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:43.520


You got it.01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:44.640


That's convergent.01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:49.359


A woman, if that bear gets killed, do they have what would have happened in the room?01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:50.319


Do they have babies?01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:53.760


Women always think about the consequences of every decision.01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.279


Men go boom.01:29:57.680 --> 01:29:59.119


And it's that way in corporate, too.01:29:59.199 --> 01:29:59.840


You've got to make a decision.01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.399


Sometimes and creative too.01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:07.039


Like I could have I can micro my studio can have things all over the place, right?01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:12.640


In order for her to be creative, the house has to be clean, everything's gotta be in the right place.01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:17.840


I can have cartons of Chinese food all around me and still be able to create him.01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:27.520


I'm in a zone, and she can't get a zone unless things so we all have our different uh that's true, but male and female brings up different things.01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:31.600


That's totally male-female, because my my wife's like, I gotta have the spotless.01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:33.600


Like I'm like, well, just do your work.01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:35.039


This is gonna take more time.01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:37.119


I can't focus on my work.01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:38.560


Right, exactly.01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:41.680


I don't have enough time for this, but I'm gonna go clean the whole house.01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:42.399


Clean enough.01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:43.359


It's what you have to do.01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:44.880


I can't focus on this.01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:46.960


I was like, what else can I do?01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:50.640


Let me let me polish your iPad.01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:52.399


Yeah, yeah.01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:53.760


Whatever good answer.01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:54.079


Yeah.01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:54.880


That's a good answer.01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:55.600


Whatever it's.01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:57.199


That's right, that's right.01:30:57.600 --> 01:30:58.239


Yeah.01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.039


So outside this, I was gonna ask you a question.01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:02.880


So my outside of that.01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:07.039


So you you know a lot about lasers, red light.01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:08.640


So what's a good one?01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:17.119


Because like my shoulder from all the liposuction, it is like, you know, and I I used to do heavy body.01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.680


He always is on the right side.01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:26.560


I used to do heavy, heavy weightlifting with uh competition bench pressing, which totally ruined my shoulders.01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:27.279


Yeah, of course.01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.079


I used to compete in powerlifting medicine.01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:40.640


Yeah, I didn't mean to, it was just they saw what I was doing at the gym, they said you're breaking a world record, and I said, Yeah, I was like, so I wanted to power lifter at all, but it was anyway.01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:44.800


So there are some good companies that are very, very expensive.01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:50.880


Yeah, and I used to do studies for some and all that, so I hesitate to name, but what I would say a red light laser, not LED.01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:55.039


Red light laser, yeah, but they're I think they're too much money for what they are.01:31:55.359 --> 01:32:02.479


As long as you get a 635 nanometer, you don't need the 880, you don't need the higher levels, that's not as good in the studies out of Russia.01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:07.840


So a 635 nanometer good red light laser that has a good warranty, that's it.01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:08.399


Okay.01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:16.640


So yeah, because I looked at that Kinion or whatever it is, it keeps on coming up, and I was like, I don't know, I haven't looked into them into them.01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:24.239


And then there was like I was gonna use hyper ice, the heat and compression.01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:28.079


But I was like, I don't know that that's gonna do much for what you're talking about.01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:29.359


It's like it's not gonna do much.01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:29.760


Yeah, yeah.01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:30.800


And I'm not sure lazy.01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:34.960


I mean, so you don't have any you don't have any tears, you don't need surgery at all.01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:36.159


Is it what's going on?01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:37.439


I would stay away from sure.01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:38.800


More degenerate, yeah.01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:39.840


More degeneration.01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:40.960


Yeah, yeah.01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:47.520


So hyaluronic growth growth hormone injection into that is pretty, pretty significant.01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:47.760


Yeah.01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:50.720


But yeah.01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:52.800


PT might help, yeah.01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:57.359


Well, it's not that it's it's just it it gets really sore at night.01:32:57.600 --> 01:33:00.399


The range of motion is range of motion is that's just inflammation.01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:01.680


It's just inflammation.01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:03.119


That's that's what I'm just trying to do.01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:04.159


It's just inflammation.01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:05.920


So then the red light would help you with that.01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:09.279


But you say red light laser over control.01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.520


Yeah, lasers, uh yeah, LED's a baby version of laser.01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:18.399


Okay, you want better effect, it's a cold laser, it's a low-level laser, it's actual laser.01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:23.199


Yeah, a chiropractor friend of mine actually gave me one and then took it back.01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:24.319


He had cold laser.01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:30.319


He was like, Oh, this is uh FDA approved to do carpal tunnel without one of the ones.01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:34.239


So the company that's done all the studies everybody knocks off is the one that I was working with.01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:36.640


So and they're good, but you don't have to pay that kind of money.01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:38.399


Yeah, so okay, yeah.01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:41.119


How about trial physical therapy?01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:47.359


If it's wear and tear though, and they're just doing it, can it's not like it's Oscar's right, is it gonna make it work?01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:48.880


That's what I'm asking.01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:53.600


Well, his wife's a physical therapist, he thinks I can make time for it, which I don't have.01:33:53.840 --> 01:34:03.119


It's not about making time for it, but like if you negate like what your body needs and you want to just consume something or shine a light on it, yeah, you're fucked up.01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:12.880


It could help, but I would also what you're saying too, uh prolo therapy and your PRP with an expert injector that knows in that ligament attachment, yeah, right there at that spot.01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:14.319


That might be, I don't know what's going on.01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:16.079


Stretching and exercising.01:34:16.319 --> 01:34:18.000


Well, that all of it be even.01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:20.159


I do the stretch and exercise.01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:25.359


Or even improvement PRP, exosomes, all those things too.01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:31.840


Exosomes are I will tell you what, um, we were doing, we were teaching prolo therapy, and then we started PRP.01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:34.399


I think I was the first one in Arizona doing PRP.01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:38.640


And I just didn't see any better results than just doing prolo.01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:43.920


If you get the right injection, the right needle in the right spot, it's prolo therapy, it's just dextrose.01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:50.479


Yeah, and it's about where the needle is, where it's placed, and creating that inflammation in that insertion.01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:52.239


I found it was still better.01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:53.439


In fact, a lot of us did.01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:56.479


Those of us that had been doing a bunch of it, it's just sense of it.01:34:56.720 --> 01:34:57.199


It's gotten better.01:34:57.279 --> 01:34:58.800


I've been injecting PPC into it.01:34:58.960 --> 01:34:59.119


Okay.01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:04.319


Like it's gotten better, but it's more about where the needle is, I think, than what you're putting in there.01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:04.960


I do.01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:08.800


To your point is somewhat PT and mechanical things.01:35:09.279 --> 01:35:19.520


Like it's just if you're not gonna make I personally personally peep down even with all the holistic aspect, the best thing is PT.01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:25.680


If you're not gonna make it time for PT, then you have to look towards other aspects.01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:33.439


If you're not gonna like actually treat the root cause problem and treatment, but I don't have to go somewhere to do PT.01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:34.479


I can do it at home.01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:38.560


Yeah, you got a PT to put you on a program, and then if you just do it, right?01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:44.319


But sometimes it depends on how much degenerate degeneration, a good PT is worth your weight and gold.01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:45.119


I'll say that.01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:50.159


A bad one or a person that's not gonna do it right, or not gonna do it, it's not gonna do anything.01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:52.560


So I don't know if I like to deal with it.01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:56.560


It's just making the time for it, and I don't have time for it.01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:57.039


Yeah.